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RE: Group Policy Software Installations
by SKIP HOFMANN 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

What kind of GPO would you want to assign to a filer? Is the filer part of the domain? _____ From: Steve Evans [mailto:sevans@foundation.sdsu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:21 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Group Policy Software Installations Where trying to deploy a piece of software via Group Policy. If we assign it to the user it works fine, but if we assign it to the machine it can't find the source on the Filer. If we move the installation package to a Win2k3 machine we can assign it to the machine. Anyone know how to fix this with Filers? Steve Evans SDSU Foundation

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Good News
by Good News 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

God spoke to me 1)Sept 2003: I was down Pittsburgh, and I heard a voice that said,"Good News". It confused me, but I felt compeled to come home to my old church. 2)When I arrive home I recieve a Good News Bible in the church from my dad. 3)I have never heard of this Bible before in my life, the "Good News" I was spoken to is manifested in physical form. Get a Good News Bible yourself. www.bibles.com Replies: gd_nws(a)yahoo.com Matthew: The Sermon on the Mount 5 Jesus saw the crowds and went up a hill, where he sat down. His disciples gathered around him, 2 and he began to teach them: True Happiness (Luke 6.20-23) 3"Happy are those who know they are spiritually poor; the Kingdom of heaven belongs to them! 4"Happy are those who mourn; God will comfort them! 5"Happy are those who are humble; they will recieve what God has promised! 6"Happy are those whose greatest desire is to do what God requires; God will satisfy them fully! 7 "Happy are those who are merciful to others; God will be merciful to them! 8"Happy are the pure in heart; they will see God! 9"Happy are those who work for peace; God will call them his children! 10"Happy are those who are persecuted because they do what God requires; the Kingdom of heaven belongs to them! 11"Happy are you when people insult you and persecute you and tell all kinds of evil lies against you because you are my followers. 12 Be happy and glad, for a great reward is kept for you in heaven. This is how the prophets who lived before you were perscuted. Salt and Light (Mark 9.50; Luke 14.34-35) 13"You are like salt for all mankind. But if salt loses its saltiness, there is no way to make it salty again. It has become worthless, so it is thrown out and people trample on it. 14 "You are like light for the whole world. A city built on a hill cannot be hid. 15 No one lights a lamp and puts it under a bowl; instead he puts it on the lampstand, where it gives light for everyone in the house. 16 In the same way your light must shine before people, so that they will see the good things you do and praise your Father in heaven. Teaching about the Law 17"Do not think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make their teachings come true. 18 Remember that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Law will be done away with-not until the end of all things. a 19 So then, whoever disobeys even the least important of the commandments and teaches others to do the same, will be least in the Kingdom of heaven. On the other hand, whoever obeys the Law and teaches others to do the same, will be great in the Kingdom of heaven. 20 I tell you, then, that you will be able to enter the Kingdom of heaven only if you are more faithful than the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees in doing what God requires. Teaching about Anger 21 "You have heard that people were told in the past,'Do not commit murder; anyone who does will be brought to trual.' 22 But now I tell you: whoever is angry with his brother will be brought to trial, whoever calls his brother 'You good-for-nothing!' will be brought before the Council, and whoever calls his brother a worthless fool will be in danger of going to the fire of hell.23 So if you are about to offer your gift to God at the altar and there you remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar, go at once and make peace with your brother, and then come back and offer your gift to God. 25"If someone brings a lawsuit against you and takes you to court, settle the dispute with him while there is time, before you get to court. Once you are there, he will turn you over to the judge, who will hand you over to the police, and you will be put in jail. 26 There you will stay, I tell you, until you pay the last penny of your time. Teaching about Adultery 27"You have heard that it was said,'Do not commit adultery.'28 But now I tell you: anyone who looks at a woman and wants to possess her is guilty of committing adultery with her in his heart. 29 So if your right eye causes you to sin, take it out and throw it away! It is much better for you to lose a part of your body than to have your whole body thrown into hell. 30 If your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away! It is much better for you to lose one of your limbs than to have your whole body go off to hell. Teaching about Divorce (Matthew 19.9; Mark 10.11-12; Luke 16.18) 31"It was also said,'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a written notice of divorce.' 32 But now I tell you: if a man divorces his wife for any cause other than her unfaithfulness, then he is guilty of making her commit adultery if she marries again; and the man who marries her commits adultery also. Teaching about Vows 33"You have also heard that people were told in the past,'Do not break your promise, but do what you have vowed to the Lord to do.' 34 But now I tell you: do not use any vow when you make a promise. Do not swear by heaven, for it is God's throne; 35 nor by earth, for it is the resting place for his feet; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 Do not even swear by your head, because you cannot make a single hair white or black. 37 Just say 'Yes' or 'No'-anything else you say comes from the Evil One. Teaching about Revenge (Luke 6.29-30) 38 "You have heard that it was said,'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.'39 But now I tell you: do not take revenge on someone who wrongs you. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, let him slap your left cheek too. 40 And if someone takes you to court to sue you for your shirt, let him have your coat as well. 41 And if one of the occupation troops forces you to carry his pack one mile, carry it two miles. 42 When someone asks you for something, give it to him; when someone wants to borrow something, lend it to him. Love for Enemies (Luke 6.27-28,32-36) 43"You have heard that it was said,'Love your friends, hate your enemies.' 44 But now I tell you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may become the sons of your Father in heaven. For he makes his sun to shine on bad and good people alike, and gives rain to those who do good and to those who do evil. 46 Why should God reward you if you love only the people who love you? Even the taxcollectors do that! 47 And if you speak only to your friends, have you done anything out of the ordinary? Even the pagans do that! 48 You must be perfect-just as your Father in heaven is perfect. Teaching about Charity 6 "Make certain you do not perform your religious duties in public so that people will see what you do. If you do these things publicaly, you will not have any reward from your Father in heaven. 2"So when you give something to a needy person, do not make a big show of it, as the hypocrites do in the houses of worpship and on the streets. The do it so that people will praise them. I assure you, they have already been paid in full. 3 But when you help a needy person, do it in such a way that even your closest friend will not know about it. 4 Then it will be a private matter. And your Father, who sees what you do in private, will reward you. Teaching about Prayer (Luke 11.2-4) 5"When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites! They love to stand up and pray in the houses of worship and on the street corners, so that everyone will see them. I assure you, they have already been paid in full. 6 But when you pray, go to your room, close the door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what you do in private, will reward you. 7 "When you pray, do not use a lot of meaningless words, as the pagans do, who think that their gods will hear them because their prayers are long. 8 Do not be like them. Your Father already knows what you need before you ask him. 9 This, then, is how you should pray: 'Our Father in heaven: May your holy name be honored; may your Kingdom come; may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today the food we need. Forgive us the wrongs we have done, as we forgive the wrongs that others have done to us. Do not bring us to hard testing, but keep us safe from the Evil One.' 14"If you forgive others the wrongs they have done to you, your Father in heaven will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive the wrongs you have done. Teaching about Fasting 16"And when you fast, do not put on a sad face as the hypocrites do. They neglect their appearance so that everyone will see that they are fasting. I assure you, they have already been paid in full. 17 When you go without food, wash your face and comb your hair, 18 so that others can not know that you are fasting-only your Father, who is unseen, will know. And your Father, who sees what you do in private, will reward you. Riches in Heaven (Luke 12.33-34) 19"Do not store up riches for yourseves here on earth, where moths and rust destroy, and robbers break in and steal. 20 Instead, store up riches for yourselves in heaven where moths and rust cannot destroy, and robbers connot break in and steal. 21 For your heart will always be where your riches are. The Light of the Body (Luke 11.34-36) 22"The eyes are like a lamp for the body. If your eyes are sound, your whole body will be full of light; 23 but if your eyes are no good, your body will be in darkness. So if the light in you is darkness, how terribly dark it will be! God and Possessions (Luke 16.13;12.22-31) 24"No one can be a slave to two masters; he will hate one and love the other; he will be loyal to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. 25"This is why I tell you: do not be worried about the food and drink you need in order to stay alive, or about clothes for your body, After all, isn't life worth more than food? And isn't the body worth more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds: they do not plant seeds, gather a harvest and put it in barns; yet your Father in heaven takes care of them! Aren't you worth much more than birds? 27 Can any of you live a bit longer by worrying about it? 28"And why worry about clothes? Look how the wild flowers grow: they do not work or make clothes for themselves. 29 But I tell you that not even King Solomon with all his wealth had cloths as beautiful as one of these flowers. 30 It is God who clothes the wild grass-grass that is here today and gone tomorrow, burned up in the oven. Won't he be all the more sure to clothe you? What little faith you have! 31"So do not start worrying:'Where will my food come from? or my drink? or my clothes?' 32 (These are the things the pagans are always concerned about.) Your Father in heaven knows that you need all these things. 33 Instead, be concerned above everything else with the Kingdom of God and with what he requires of you, and he will provide you with all these other things. 34 So do not worry about tomorrow; it will have enough worries of its own. There is no need to add to the troubles each day brings. Judging Others (Luke 6.37-38, 41-42) 7"Do not judge others, so that God will not judge you, 2 for God will judge you in the same way you judge others, and he will apply to you the same rules you apply to others. 3 Why, then, do you look at the speck in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the log in your own eye? 4 How dare you say to your brother,'Please, let me take that speck out of your eye.' when you have a log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite! First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will be able to see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. 6"Do not give what is holy to dogs-they will only turn and attack you. Do not throw your pearls in front of pigs-they will only trample them underfoot. Ask, Seek, Knock (Luke 11.9-13) 7"Ask, and you will recieve;seek, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks will recieve, and anyone who seeks will find, and the door will be opened to him who knocks. 9 Would any of you who are fathers give your son a stone when he asks for bread? 10 Or would you give him a snake when he ask for a fish? 11 As bad as you are, you know how to give good things to your children. How much more, then, will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask him! 12"Do for others what you want them to do for you: this is the meaning of the Law of Moses and of the teachings of the prophets. The Narrow Gate (Luke 13.24) 13"Go in through the narrow gate, because the gate to hell is wide and the road that leads to it is easy, and there are many who travel it. 14 But the gate to life is narrow and the way that leads to it is hard, and there are few people who find it. A Tree and Its Fruit (Luke 6:43-44) 15"Be on your guard against false prophets: they come to you looking like sheep on the outside, but on the inside they are really like wild wolves. 16 You will know them by what they do. Thorn bushes do not bear grapes, and briers do not bear figs. 17 A healthy tree bears goodfruit, but a poor tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a poor tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 And any tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown in the fire. 20 So then, you will know thw false prophets by what they do. I Never Knew You (Luke 13.25-27) 21"Not everyone who calls me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but only those who do what my Father in heaven wants them to do. 22 When the Judgement Day comes, many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord! In your name we spoke God's message, by your name we drove out many demons and performed many miracles!' 23 Then I will say to them,'I never knew you. Get away from me, you wicked people!' The Two House Builders (Luke 6.47-49) 24"So then, anyone who hears these words of mine and obeys them is like a wise man who built his house on rock. 25 The rain poured down, the rivers flooded over, and the wind blew hard against that house. But it did not fall, because it was built on rock. 26"But anyone who hears these words of mine and does not obey them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain poured down, the rivers flooded over, the wind blew hard against that house, and it fell. And what a terrible fall that was!" The Authority of Jesus 28 When Jesus finished saying these things, the crowd was amazed at the way he taught. 29 He wasn't like the teachers of the Law; instead, he taught with authority.

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by Stephane Bentebba 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

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RE: Problems with old 740 cluster...
by Timothy Naple 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

I agree with Stephane. We have seen this problem hundreds of times with FC7's and FC8's. The best answer would be to replace the shelves with FC9's if your disks were all X221C and X221D or upgrade to DS14's and new disks. NetApp (Eurologic) made great leaps in reliability between the FC7/FC8 (XL400) and FC9 (XL500) series. Seeing as how you have some X221A's or X221B's, you would want to replace the shelves with different FC8's or fix the problem with the shelves. The LRC and backplane are the most likely culprits. There is also a chance that your fibre channel card is faulty. I would assume that you are using X2030B's in those. You can replace the fibre channel card, LRC's and VEM's very easily and that is very non-intrusive to your system. If that doesn't work, you are looking at backplane issues which are much more difficult to remedy. You can test the shelf/components in question using a hardware fibre channel analyzer or a software fibre channel capture utility. Using a 'disktest' in maintenance mode is not very useful for detecting these sorts of problems. The likely reason why you notice this in spare disks more than disks in raid groups is that you are replacing disks over time in the bad slots. The disks you insert become spares but are still in a slot that has already failed a disk. Those bad slots might just be failing replacement spare disks over and over. Hope this helps. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Stephane [mailto:stephane.bentebba@fps.fr] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 2:34 AM Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Problems with old 740 cluster... i already got some hard trouble w/ FC7/FC8 shelf numerous error on disk (disapear from the loop) over a long period to fix that, the best is to change the shelf for a good FC9 FC9 seem to be more stable than FC7/FC8 one i can't tell you why, but i worked great for me you could also try to solelly exchange the Environmental Module at the rear which also hold the F connection it could play a bad role in these error try to move as many disk as you can to a shelf that have no (or less) pb bye Kelsey Cummings wrote: >I consult for this company that has an old 740 cluster that is built out >with FC8 shelves and primarily ST118202FC and ST318203FC disks with the >ocassional X221 18GB gisks. > >One of the filers has 2 shelves, the other 8. > >The one with 8 shelves is having repeated problems with 'missing disks' - >ie where a perfectly good disk just disapears from the loop. I think the >missing disk problem may be localized to specific bays on specific shelves >but in any event doesn't seem to follow the disk if it's moved. It also >seems to affect spare disks more than active disks (I've kept as many >spares hot as possible in the boxes due to the age of the disks) but this >could just be an artifact of the behavior. > >It's a little before my time with NetApps but I seem to recal hearing that >these kinds of problems were not uncommon on the FC8/FC9 shelves. > >Anyone have any suggestions as to how I can rectify the problems besides >replacing the disks and shelves? > >-Kelsey > > >

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RE: Exchange growth after migration.
by Derek Lai 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

Paul, Thanks for the detailed explanation. Just out of curiosity, I was wondering about option 3 (using VSS on Win2003) and why it would work. Is this another instance of Microsoft using some undocumented API call? Derek -----Original Message----- From: Benn, Paul [mailto:paul.benn@netapp.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:12 PM To: Sto RageC ; Paul Galjan Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Exchange growth after migration. Hi Sto Rage (sorry, don't know your real name), You are correct in that SME is "Exchange aware." This option is not available in Exchange 5.5, which might explain why you do not see it on your server. If this is what I think it is, it is likely to be what Paul Galjan writes of below. If so, this is a known issue and is documented in NetApp online bug 53144 and also on page 92 of the SnapManager for Exchange version 3.1 Installation and Administration Guide. Here is a direct link to the article for those of you who want to read about it and have access to NOW. http://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/bol?Type=Detail&Display=53144 Basically, Exchange 2000 and Exchange Server 2003 have an option of "Do not permanently delete mailboxes and items until the store has been backed up." The option itself should be self explanatory. The issue is that in order for this feature to function, the entire database needs to be read during the backup process. This happens when you spool to tape or to a .BKF file, for example. SnapManager uses snapshot technology to perform the backup process so it does not read the entire database as part of the backup. This is simply a limitation of Exchange 2000 that is exposed when using snapshot technology to perform backups and is *not* limited to Network Appliance filers or to SnapManager for Exchange itself. This Exchange option is *disabled* by default, which could also explain why you did not run into the unexplained growth. There are three ways to get around this issue: 1) Disable the Exchange 2000 option of "Do not permanently delete mailboxes and items until the store has been backed up." 2) Run a copy-type backup in addition to the SnapManager backups using an Exchange aware backup application, such as NTBackup. This is what Paul Galjan suggested below. This can be done, say, once per week and could be spooled to a .BKF file versus a tape device. Some SnapManager customers create backup archives by creating a copy type backup anyway. Doing so would not only provide a backup archive but would also provide a work around to the above mentioned issue. 3) Move to Exchange Server 2003 on Windows Server 2003 to get the VSS technology. When running this combination of Exchange and Windows, VSS is used to create the snapshots. The issue does *not* apply to SME backups performed via VSS. I realize that this may not be an option for everyone but I am just calling it out as another way to solve the problem. I hope this sheds some light on the issue. Please let us know if further clarification is needed. Regards, Paul Benn SnapManager Engineering Network Appliance > -----Original Message----- > From: Sto Rage(c) [mailto:netbacker@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 5:06 PM > To: Paul Galjan > Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: Exchange growth after migration. > > Are you sure of this? I thought when you schedule SnapManager for > Exchange (SME) backups to create the snapshots, Exchange is aware of > the full backup being done and it will truncate the transaction logs > and also delete the items deleted as specified in the Limits tab. When > you look at the database tab, it should show the time of the last full > backup which would correspond to the last snapshot taken via SME. > Am I wrong? We too recently migrated our exchange env to a netapp > platform and haven't noticed any major database bloat (yet?). We do > have the option "Donot delete .... until the store has been backed up" > checked. Well, maybe our users don't delete any mails ;) > > Darren, the question you should ask your Exch admin is ... are they > using SME for scheduling the backups or someother means. Ask them to > look at the database tab and see if it has a time recored for full > backups. The time for incrementals would be none, since SME doesn't do > an incremental backup. > Hope this helps. > > -G > > > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:40:46 -0500, Paul Galjan > <galjan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Darren, > > > > Tech support is correct if you have some the checkbox > "Uncheck "Do not > > permanently delete mailboxes and items until the store has > been backed > > up" > > > > The problems lies in the difference between the way > NTbackup and other > > Exchange-aware backup programs and snapshot backup programs like SME > > work. When other backup programs do a backup, all blocks are read > > from the DB, and Exchange knows that items can be deleted "for real" > > after the blocks have been read. When SME (or any other > > snapshot-based program, for that matter), does a backup, the blocks > > are read by eseutil, but only after the backup is done, and > it's done > > on the snapshot (not the active DB), so Exchange doesn't > know to clean > > up deleted items. > > > > This is an issue with any snapshot-based Exchange backup program. > > Right now, Microsoft doesn't have any special hooks into its backup > > API to allow this cleanup to be invoked after a snapshot. (I don't > > know if/when that's coming). The workaround right now is to either > > turn that option off in Exchange, or run occasional copy-only backup > > jobs with ntbackup or somesuch. > > > > More information on how to turn this option off is here: > > http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/MF022.html > > > > --paul > > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:55:28 -0800 (PST), Darren Dunham > > > > > > <ddunham(a)taos.com> wrote: > > > Danger, I'm not a windows person, so I'm a little over my > head on part > > > of this. > > > > > > I've got a client that has just completed a migration of their > > > Exchange 2000 servers onto a netapp iscsi lun with > snapmanager. So > > > far everything seems to be working great on the netapp side. > > > > > > However, after running on the server for two weeks, their > private store > > > has jumped from about 120G to about 220G. Some of their > support is > > > suggesting that the standard Exchange backup process has > some cleanup > > > functions that run during the backup. Now that it doesn't run any > > > longer with snapmanager in place, the cleanup is no > longer performed and > > > the DB grows out of control (unless you shut down and do > a defrag). > > > > > > Does this sound familiar to anyone? I'm looking for confirmation, > > > refutation, or hey, even solutions on this. I'm hoping there are > > > similar environments out there. Specifically, a larger > database (such > > > that the nightly cleanup process can't tackle the entire store > > > overnight). > > > > > > Please don't ask me for anything that requires debugging. > I'm not the > > > windows guy. I'm just trying to find out if this growth > has occurred at > > > other sites. It's been escalated with both Netapp and > Microsoft, but no > > > word yet on if this is expected behavior. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > -- > > > Darren Dunham > ddunham(a)taos.com > > > Senior Technical Consultant TAOS > http://www.taos.com/ > > > Got some Dr Pepper? 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Problems with old 740 cluster...
by Kelsey Cummings 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

I consult for this company that has an old 740 cluster that is built out with FC8 shelves and primarily ST118202FC and ST318203FC disks with the ocassional X221 18GB gisks. One of the filers has 2 shelves, the other 8. The one with 8 shelves is having repeated problems with 'missing disks' - ie where a perfectly good disk just disapears from the loop. I think the missing disk problem may be localized to specific bays on specific shelves but in any event doesn't seem to follow the disk if it's moved. It also seems to affect spare disks more than active disks (I've kept as many spares hot as possible in the boxes due to the age of the disks) but this could just be an artifact of the behavior. It's a little before my time with NetApps but I seem to recal hearing that these kinds of problems were not uncommon on the FC8/FC9 shelves. Anyone have any suggestions as to how I can rectify the problems besides replacing the disks and shelves? -Kelsey

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RE: Lost a disk in our out of service filer, Looking for options.
by Greg Libert 12 Nov '04

12 Nov '04

You can try www.zerowait.com too........................ "refurbished" (Used) -----Original Message----- From: Alan Sparks [mailto:asparks@quris.com] Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 12:21 PM To: John Kiniston Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Lost a disk in our out of service filer, Looking for options. May not be the real answer you want, but Berkeley Communications has these drives (Seagate Barracuda 9.1GB?) for $175. Done much biz with them, a good company. http://store.yahoo.com/berkcomm/st39173wc.html -Alan On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 10:40, John Kiniston wrote: > Howdy folks. > > Today we had a disk go broken in our old filer , It's running 5.3.4R2 > with two shelves. > > I've run out of functional ST39173WC disks from Netapp and I'd like to > continue to use my filer. > > Is it possible to shrink the volume on my filer by a disk and have the > free'd up disk be my spare? > > Right now I've got a 74.65 GB vol0 with only 44.57GB in use so thats > about 30GB of free space on the volume, Vol0 is also my only volume > right now. > > > Does anyone on the list have a ST39173WC they would be willing to sell > to me with our without the enclosure? (I have two broken ST39173WC's > so I could re-use my enclosure.) > > The only other thing I can think of is maybe there is a chance I've > got one ST39173WC with a bad board and the other with a bad disk but > swapping controllers without knowing what's bad wouldnt be my first > choice. > > Thank's for the help.

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Lost a disk in our out of service filer, Looking for options.
by John Kiniston 12 Nov '04

12 Nov '04

Howdy folks. Today we had a disk go broken in our old filer , It's running 5.3.4R2 with two shelves. I've run out of functional ST39173WC disks from Netapp and I'd like to continue to use my filer. Is it possible to shrink the volume on my filer by a disk and have the free'd up disk be my spare? Right now I've got a 74.65 GB vol0 with only 44.57GB in use so thats about 30GB of free space on the volume, Vol0 is also my only volume right now. Does anyone on the list have a ST39173WC they would be willing to sell to me with our without the enclosure? (I have two broken ST39173WC's so I could re-use my enclosure.) The only other thing I can think of is maybe there is a chance I've got one ST39173WC with a bad board and the other with a bad disk but swapping controllers without knowing what's bad wouldnt be my first choice. Thank's for the help.

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RE: vfiler dr configure trouble
by Hill, Aaron 12 Nov '04

12 Nov '04

Forgive me if I am asking the obvious; Can you see anything odd in the /etc/log/snapmirror logs? -----Original Message----- From: Hill, Aaron Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 9:27 AM To: 'Conzen, Christoph (C.)'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: vfiler dr configure trouble Cristoph, What does your current snapmirror status, snapmirror destinations and snap list output give? Just looking for evidence of the previous snapmirror relationships. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Conzen, Christoph (C.) [mailto:cconzen1@getrag-ford.com] Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 1:58 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: vfiler dr configure trouble Hi Toasters, we have setup a vfiler on an FAS270 which holds 13 qtrees plus its etc-qtree. On a Nearstore we use vfiler dr for the original vfiler as fallback solution. We have tested the disaster case (cut off network connection to the filer and submitted vfiler dr activate on the nearstore) which worked fine, and also tested the reverse operation which worked fine. Next action was to clean up the nearstore - destroy the dr-vfiler remainders, snapmirror relationships and snapshots from both systems. After this I was going to create the vfiler dr on the nearstore again, which did not work. Submitting the vfiler dr configure VFILERX@Physicalfiler command produced the following: nearstore> vfiler dr configure VFILERx@physicalfilerY physicalfiler's Administartive login: root physicalfiler's Administartive password: Configuring SnapMirror to mirror vfiler VFILERx's storage from remote filer physicalfilerY. Mon Nov 8 08:46:04 CET [snapmirror.dst.err:error]: SnapMirror destination transfer from physicalfilerY:/vol/vol1/qtree6 to /vol/vol1/qtree6 : too many active transfers at once on source. Unable to initialize SnapMirror for migrating VFILERx. Has anyone out there made similar expieriences or has got a clue what causes this behaviour? Christoph Conzen GETRAG FORD Transmissions ************** IMPORTANT MESSAGE ************** This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ***************************************************************

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AW: vfiler dr configure trouble
by Conzen, Christoph (C.) 12 Nov '04

12 Nov '04

This does explain why the 9th snapmirror which is started exceeds the limit. I double/triple checked that nothing else was going on at the time of the vfiler dr configure. The command did succeed once, but it seems no longer to put the limit-exceeding transfers to pending and crashes instead. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Federwisch, Mike [mailto:Mike.Federwisch@netapp.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 12. November 2004 15:26 An: Thorsten.Lemke(a)computacenter.com; Conzen, Christoph (C.) Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Betreff: RE: vfiler dr configure trouble The documentation is wrong for that model. Only 8 transfers are supported for a FAS270. -----Original Message----- From: Thorsten.Lemke(a)computacenter.com [mailto:Thorsten.Lemke@computacenter.com] Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:01 AM To: cconzen1(a)getrag-ford.com Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: vfiler dr configure trouble Perhaps that was only a temporary issue. The FAS270 only supports up to 16 simultaneous snapmirror transfers. If there are already 16 active transfers (which means that status is 'transferring' instead of 'idle') at the moment when you try to initialize the vfiler dr, then you will get the message 'too many active transfers at once on source'. Just check snapmirror status that your amount of simultaneous transfers is not filled up at the moment and try again. Regards Thorsten Sent by: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com To: <toasters(a)mathworks.com> cc: Subject: vfiler dr configure trouble |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| Hi Toasters, we have setup a vfiler on an FAS270 which holds 13 qtrees plus its etc-qtree. On a Nearstore we use vfiler dr for the original vfiler as fallback solution. We have tested the disaster case (cut off network connection to the filer and submitted vfiler dr activate on the nearstore) which worked fine, and also tested the reverse operation which worked fine. Next action was to clean up the nearstore - destroy the dr-vfiler remainders, snapmirror relationships and snapshots from both systems. After this I was going to create the vfiler dr on the nearstore again, which did not work. Submitting the vfiler dr configure VFILERX@Physicalfiler command produced the following: nearstore> vfiler dr configure VFILERx@physicalfilerY physicalfiler's Administartive login: root physicalfiler's Administartive password: Configuring SnapMirror to mirror vfiler VFILERx's storage from remote filer physicalfilerY. Mon Nov 8 08:46:04 CET [snapmirror.dst.err:error]: SnapMirror destination transfer from physicalfilerY:/vol/vol1/qtree6 to /vol/vol1/qtree6 : too many active transfers at once on source. Unable to initialize SnapMirror for migrating VFILERx. Has anyone out there made similar expieriences or has got a clue what causes this behaviour? Christoph Conzen GETRAG FORD Transmissions COMPUTACENTER (UK) LTD The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. Computacenter information is available from http://www.computacenter.com This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ***************************************************************************************************************************

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Re: Using unsipported FC switches
by Parisse, Dave 12 Nov '04

12 Nov '04

Andrew, I am proud to say - we are listening!! While you did have the link to the brocade page in your email - you did not have the link to the high level page for our tapesan solutions. That can be found here: http://www.netapp.com/osn/info/config.html I'm not sure which library you wanted to connect - but if you click on the Adic lib under brocade (as an example) - you will get here: http://www.netapp.com/osn/info/fc/adic-main-brocade.html And this page shows all of the ADIC libs that are supported in a tapesan. Assuming further you were interested in the Scalar 10k from ADIC - you can scroll down - and see not only supported fw config info - but a docs link - which will get you to the jointly created (ADIC and Netapp) solution doc http://www.netapp.com/osn/info/fc/docs/adic/ADIC_TapeSAN_A.pdf and also links at ADIC to help describe/help with configuring. For the oem'd san switch - our stance is if you are dealing with an oem switch which is not changed by that oem vendor (firmware or hardware) then you are really using the switch vendors switch - and we support as documented. We only ask that if you make this determination you also check any service contracts with the oem to ensure they would not be violated - to our surprise some oems have somewhat restrictive clauses. Of course - If the oem changes the switch in any functional way (firmware or hardware) then we need them to certify their changes are valid. I do hope this helps and would ask that if you (or Graeme) are still having concerns - please let me know. Dave parisse(a)netapp.com Manager, Certification and Operations Technical Marketing Network Appliance, Inc.

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RE: vfiler dr configure trouble
by Federwisch, Mike 12 Nov '04

12 Nov '04

The documentation is wrong for that model. Only 8 transfers are supported for a FAS270. -----Original Message----- From: Thorsten.Lemke(a)computacenter.com [mailto:Thorsten.Lemke@computacenter.com] Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:01 AM To: cconzen1(a)getrag-ford.com Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: vfiler dr configure trouble Perhaps that was only a temporary issue. The FAS270 only supports up to 16 simultaneous snapmirror transfers. If there are already 16 active transfers (which means that status is 'transferring' instead of 'idle') at the moment when you try to initialize the vfiler dr, then you will get the message 'too many active transfers at once on source'. Just check snapmirror status that your amount of simultaneous transfers is not filled up at the moment and try again. Regards Thorsten Sent by: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com To: <toasters(a)mathworks.com> cc: Subject: vfiler dr configure trouble |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| Hi Toasters, we have setup a vfiler on an FAS270 which holds 13 qtrees plus its etc-qtree. On a Nearstore we use vfiler dr for the original vfiler as fallback solution. We have tested the disaster case (cut off network connection to the filer and submitted vfiler dr activate on the nearstore) which worked fine, and also tested the reverse operation which worked fine. Next action was to clean up the nearstore - destroy the dr-vfiler remainders, snapmirror relationships and snapshots from both systems. After this I was going to create the vfiler dr on the nearstore again, which did not work. Submitting the vfiler dr configure VFILERX@Physicalfiler command produced the following: nearstore> vfiler dr configure VFILERx@physicalfilerY physicalfiler's Administartive login: root physicalfiler's Administartive password: Configuring SnapMirror to mirror vfiler VFILERx's storage from remote filer physicalfilerY. Mon Nov 8 08:46:04 CET [snapmirror.dst.err:error]: SnapMirror destination transfer from physicalfilerY:/vol/vol1/qtree6 to /vol/vol1/qtree6 : too many active transfers at once on source. Unable to initialize SnapMirror for migrating VFILERx. Has anyone out there made similar expieriences or has got a clue what causes this behaviour? Christoph Conzen GETRAG FORD Transmissions COMPUTACENTER (UK) LTD The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. Computacenter information is available from http://www.computacenter.com This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ***************************************************************************************************************************

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vfiler dr configure trouble
by Conzen, Christoph (C.) 12 Nov '04

12 Nov '04

Hi Toasters, we have setup a vfiler on an FAS270 which holds 13 qtrees plus its etc-qtree. On a Nearstore we use vfiler dr for the original vfiler as fallback solution. We have tested the disaster case (cut off network connection to the filer and submitted vfiler dr activate on the nearstore) which worked fine, and also tested the reverse operation which worked fine. Next action was to clean up the nearstore - destroy the dr-vfiler remainders, snapmirror relationships and snapshots from both systems. After this I was going to create the vfiler dr on the nearstore again, which did not work. Submitting the vfiler dr configure VFILERX@Physicalfiler command produced the following: nearstore> vfiler dr configure VFILERx@physicalfilerY physicalfiler's Administartive login: root physicalfiler's Administartive password: Configuring SnapMirror to mirror vfiler VFILERx's storage from remote filer physicalfilerY. Mon Nov 8 08:46:04 CET [snapmirror.dst.err:error]: SnapMirror destination transfer from physicalfilerY:/vol/vol1/qtree6 to /vol/vol1/qtree6 : too many active transfers at once on source. Unable to initialize SnapMirror for migrating VFILERx. Has anyone out there made similar expieriences or has got a clue what causes this behaviour? Christoph Conzen GETRAG FORD Transmissions

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AW: vfiler dr configure trouble
by Conzen, Christoph (C.) 12 Nov '04

12 Nov '04

There are no oddities as far as I can see. All is matching - Starts and Ends etc. I have set up the mirrors, the vfiler dr config would trigger, by hand and the same error message (too many active transfers...)comes up then when all mirors are initialized/updated the same time. But different to the vfiler dr configure situation, the ones beyond any concurrent-transfer-limits are just set to pending and will succeed as soon as the number of concurrent transfers goes below the threshold. For the FAS270 the documentation says that 16 concurrent transfers are the max. The error messages comes when the 9th transfer is started! It looks as if any transfer is counted twice , and if the vfiler dr configure process cannot push the transfers to pending but terminates the whole process when the first error occurs. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Hill, Aaron [mailto:aaron.hill@cba.com.au] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. November 2004 23:54 An: Conzen, Christoph (C.); toasters(a)mathworks.com Betreff: RE: vfiler dr configure trouble Forgive me if I am asking the obvious; Can you see anything odd in the /etc/log/snapmirror logs? -----Original Message----- From: Hill, Aaron Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 9:27 AM To: 'Conzen, Christoph (C.)'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: vfiler dr configure trouble Cristoph, What does your current snapmirror status, snapmirror destinations and snap list output give? Just looking for evidence of the previous snapmirror relationships. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Conzen, Christoph (C.) [mailto:cconzen1@getrag-ford.com] Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 1:58 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: vfiler dr configure trouble Hi Toasters, we have setup a vfiler on an FAS270 which holds 13 qtrees plus its etc-qtree. On a Nearstore we use vfiler dr for the original vfiler as fallback solution. We have tested the disaster case (cut off network connection to the filer and submitted vfiler dr activate on the nearstore) which worked fine, and also tested the reverse operation which worked fine. Next action was to clean up the nearstore - destroy the dr-vfiler remainders, snapmirror relationships and snapshots from both systems. After this I was going to create the vfiler dr on the nearstore again, which did not work. Submitting the vfiler dr configure VFILERX@Physicalfiler command produced the following: nearstore> vfiler dr configure VFILERx@physicalfilerY physicalfiler's Administartive login: root physicalfiler's Administartive password: Configuring SnapMirror to mirror vfiler VFILERx's storage from remote filer physicalfilerY. Mon Nov 8 08:46:04 CET [snapmirror.dst.err:error]: SnapMirror destination transfer from physicalfilerY:/vol/vol1/qtree6 to /vol/vol1/qtree6 : too many active transfers at once on source. Unable to initialize SnapMirror for migrating VFILERx. Has anyone out there made similar expieriences or has got a clue what causes this behaviour? Christoph Conzen GETRAG FORD Transmissions ************** IMPORTANT MESSAGE ************** This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ***************************************************************

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RE: vfiler dr configure trouble
by Hill, Aaron 11 Nov '04

11 Nov '04

Cristoph, What does your current snapmirror status, snapmirror destinations and snap list output give? Just looking for evidence of the previous snapmirror relationships. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Conzen, Christoph (C.) [mailto:cconzen1@getrag-ford.com] Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 1:58 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: vfiler dr configure trouble Hi Toasters, we have setup a vfiler on an FAS270 which holds 13 qtrees plus its etc-qtree. On a Nearstore we use vfiler dr for the original vfiler as fallback solution. We have tested the disaster case (cut off network connection to the filer and submitted vfiler dr activate on the nearstore) which worked fine, and also tested the reverse operation which worked fine. Next action was to clean up the nearstore - destroy the dr-vfiler remainders, snapmirror relationships and snapshots from both systems. After this I was going to create the vfiler dr on the nearstore again, which did not work. Submitting the vfiler dr configure VFILERX@Physicalfiler command produced the following: nearstore> vfiler dr configure VFILERx@physicalfilerY physicalfiler's Administartive login: root physicalfiler's Administartive password: Configuring SnapMirror to mirror vfiler VFILERx's storage from remote filer physicalfilerY. Mon Nov 8 08:46:04 CET [snapmirror.dst.err:error]: SnapMirror destination transfer from physicalfilerY:/vol/vol1/qtree6 to /vol/vol1/qtree6 : too many active transfers at once on source. Unable to initialize SnapMirror for migrating VFILERx. Has anyone out there made similar expieriences or has got a clue what causes this behaviour? Christoph Conzen GETRAG FORD Transmissions ************** IMPORTANT MESSAGE ************** This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ***************************************************************

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