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RE: EMC vs NetApp
by Grant, Derek 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

I just wanted to add my name to the list. Could everyone who responded to Kelsey please forward their responses. I'd like to see how others felt about the two products and their experiences. Thanks Derek -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Kelsey Cummings Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:30 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: EMC vs NetApp I just wanted to say thanks to everyone that responded to me off-list! Thanks! -- Kelsey Cummings - kgc(a)sonic.net sonic.net, inc. System Administrator 2260 Apollo Way 707.522.1000 (Voice) Santa Rosa, CA 95407 707.547.2199 (Fax) http://www.sonic.net/ Fingerprint = D5F9 667F 5D32 7347 0B79 8DB7 2B42 86B6 4E2C 3896

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EMC vs NetApp
by Kelsey Cummings 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

A company I contract for is shopping for new storage to replace some old 7xx series filers and we are about 90% sold on a fas270c. However, I've been asked to compare this to the current EMC offerings which EMC claims to have now beat NetApp on price and performance while freely admitting that their 600 line was indeed a piece of crap. They insist that the 500 series is a solid product that can beat NetApp in a bake off. Does anyone have experiences with the *new* EMC Calera NAS boxes? -K

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RE: EMC vs NetApp
by Brubaker, Paul 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

Ditto... please send any and all comments to me too. thanks! Paul M. Brubaker, Jr. RIDS - Intel System Support Cingular Wireless e-mail: paul.brubaker(a)cingular.com office #: 717-526-5011 cell #: 717-578-2254 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Ashi Sheth Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 6:15 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: EMC vs NetApp I would appreciate the comments as well. Thanks. Ashi -------------------------- Ashi Sheth Systems Engineering Manager University of the Pacific - OIT ashi.sheth(a)pacific.edu 209-946-3986 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com <owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com> To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Tue Dec 28 14:09:19 2004 Subject: RE: EMC vs NetApp Just read this message and the previous, would the people who responded to Kelsey please send me their input as well? We use NetApp filers now and are discussing going to EMC... Thanks, Bryan Howard Sr. Database Administrator, Oracle New Breed Corporation (336) 218-7535 ext. 8123 bhoward(a)newbreed.com -----Original Message----- From: Kelsey Cummings [mailto:kgc@sonic.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 16:30 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: EMC vs NetApp I just wanted to say thanks to everyone that responded to me off-list! Thanks! -- Kelsey Cummings - kgc(a)sonic.net sonic.net, inc. System Administrator 2260 Apollo Way 707.522.1000 (Voice) Santa Rosa, CA 95407 707.547.2199 (Fax) http://www.sonic.net/ Fingerprint = D5F9 667F 5D32 7347 0B79 8DB7 2B42 86B6 4E2C 3896

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Re: EMC vs NetApp
by Ashi Sheth 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

I would appreciate the comments as well. Thanks. Ashi -------------------------- Ashi Sheth Systems Engineering Manager University of the Pacific - OIT ashi.sheth(a)pacific.edu 209-946-3986 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com <owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com> To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Tue Dec 28 14:09:19 2004 Subject: RE: EMC vs NetApp Just read this message and the previous, would the people who responded to Kelsey please send me their input as well? We use NetApp filers now and are discussing going to EMC... Thanks, Bryan Howard Sr. Database Administrator, Oracle New Breed Corporation (336) 218-7535 ext. 8123 bhoward(a)newbreed.com -----Original Message----- From: Kelsey Cummings [mailto:kgc@sonic.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 16:30 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: EMC vs NetApp I just wanted to say thanks to everyone that responded to me off-list! Thanks! -- Kelsey Cummings - kgc(a)sonic.net sonic.net, inc. System Administrator 2260 Apollo Way 707.522.1000 (Voice) Santa Rosa, CA 95407 707.547.2199 (Fax) http://www.sonic.net/ Fingerprint = D5F9 667F 5D32 7347 0B79 8DB7 2B42 86B6 4E2C 3896

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RE: EMC vs NetApp
by Howard, Bryan 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

Just read this message and the previous, would the people who responded to Kelsey please send me their input as well? We use NetApp filers now and are discussing going to EMC... Thanks, Bryan Howard Sr. Database Administrator, Oracle New Breed Corporation (336) 218-7535 ext. 8123 bhoward(a)newbreed.com -----Original Message----- From: Kelsey Cummings [mailto:kgc@sonic.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 16:30 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: EMC vs NetApp I just wanted to say thanks to everyone that responded to me off-list! Thanks! -- Kelsey Cummings - kgc(a)sonic.net sonic.net, inc. System Administrator 2260 Apollo Way 707.522.1000 (Voice) Santa Rosa, CA 95407 707.547.2199 (Fax) http://www.sonic.net/ Fingerprint = D5F9 667F 5D32 7347 0B79 8DB7 2B42 86B6 4E2C 3896

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Replacing FC9 disk + adding NetApp disk label
by devnull＠adc.idt.com 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

I just had a NetApp disk on an F740 fail on me. The disk is a X231_ST336704FC which is a 36Gb seagate drive. I dont have support on this filer and am looking at options to replace it. Does anyone know if it is possible to add a regular(and by that i mean a disk that isnt "formatted" for a NetApp) 36GB FC drive to the filer and get it to recognize it ? I had a FC drive on a Sun blade fail me on me sometime back and i was able to buy a non sun drive and during the installation solaris labels the drive for me. Is there something similar that can be done on the NetApp. Thanks, /dev/null devnull(a)adc.idt.com

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vld exchange gone
by Charles Roufay 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

Hello, We accidentally deleted one of our vld.lun file for our exchange . Is anyone aware of a back door to retreive deleted fiiles? Charles ********************************************************************* This e-mail message may contain privileged/confidential information. It is intended solely for the addressee.If you are not the indicated addressee(or responsible for delivery to such a person), you shall neither read nor retain this message, copy or distribute it to anyone, or use this email for any other purpose. In such cases, please destroy the message immediately and notify the sender by reply email.

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Hello Tm-m3
by Rebecca Hatch 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

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Panic F760 6.4.5
by Cedric Tabary 20 Dec '04

20 Dec '04

This is a Dell PV 760 (aka NetApp F760, fw 2.8_a2) 3 Dell 700 shelves with Ids 0, 1, 2 connected to isp2100 in slot 2 Crash log on console : ------------------------------------------------------------ Mon Dec 20 09:15:45 GMT [ispfc_init_1:error]: Device 2.0 (0x02000000) appears to have taken a soft address: expected hard address 7 (0xda), assigned soft address 0 (0xef). Mon Dec 20 09:15:52 GMT [ispfc_init_1:error]: Device 2.0 (0x02000000) appears to have taken a soft address: expected hard address 7 (0xda), assigned soft address 0 (0xef). ispfc: Fibre Channel adapter 0a appears to be unattached/disconnected. If adapter is in use, check cabling and seating of LRC cards in disk shelves. Mon Dec 20 09:15:54 GMT [ispfc_init_0:error]: Initialization failed on Fibre Channel adapter 0a. NetApp Release 6.4.5: Wed Jul 14 04:27:30 PDT 2004 Copyright (c) 1992-2004 Network Appliance, Inc. Starting boot on Mon Dec 20 09:15:37 GMT 2004 Mon Dec 20 09:15:56 GMT [ispfc_timeout_1:error]: Invalidating disk device 2.0 (0x02000000) which appears to have taken a soft address, possibly due to conflicting shelf ids. Mon Dec 20 09:15:58 GMT [net_e0:info]: Ethernet e0: Link up. level1 pte is 1fa3400001101 level2 pte is 1fa3300001101 level3 pte is NULL MM fault MMCSR=1, type=1, VA=0x0, PC=0xfffffc000060d4a0, RA=0xfffffc00004a9bc0 PANIC: MM fault MMCSR=1, type=1, VA=0x0, PC=0xfffffc000060d4a0, RA=0xfffffc00004a9bc0 in process ses_admin on release NetApp Release 6.4.5 on Mon Dec 20 09:16:00 GMT 2004 version: NetApp Release 6.4.5: Wed Jul 14 04:27:30 PDT 2004 cc flags: 1 DUMPCORE: START DUMPCORE: END -- coredump *NOT* written. halt after panic during system initialization ok Killed ------------------------------------------------------------ It can boot sometimes, but some drives are missing after boot !! I have nearly the same crash with shelves connected to internal fc-al and fc card removed. any idea ? Thanks -- Cédric Tabary

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RE: Netcache in transparent mode
by Michael Schipp 18 Dec '04

18 Dec '04

Hi all, The setting is in IE under the security tab --> custom level --> User Authentication --> Automatic logon with current username and password. Thanks to Quin Qhong from Netapp for helping me out here. Thanks Michael ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Stephane Bentebba Sent: Friday, 17 December 2004 8:46 PM Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Netcache in transparent mode did you tried to connect to the adress : http://user:passwd@netcache i am not sure this works and can't make a test but lots of site enable that way of doing this the only problem is the passwd sent in clear it would be better to use https Michael Schipp wrote: Hi all, I am not sure if the Netcache can do this. What the customer wants is to have is the Netcache (C1200 - running 5.5R5) in transparent mode as well as reverse proxy (web accelerator). No problems so far, but the customer also wants to block Windows 2000 AD computers groups from accessing instant messaging. They also want to rsh the ACL so that they can turn on and off different AD computer groups. As far as I know this means we need to do a auth on HTTP in the ACL. When I do this the browser is prompted for username and password (well is did after I found the transparent Auth tick box :)). However the customer does not want to be prompted but wants passthrough authentication. Can this be done? Any help/thoughts on this much is appreciated. Thanks Michael Schipp. -- Stéphane Bentebba Technicien de Maintenance Tél.: +33 (0)1.41.73.20.16 Fax.: +33 (0)1.41.73.20.08 support(a)fps.fr www.fps.fr <http://www.fps.fr> <http://www.fps.fr> FPS France Parc d'affaire Silic 43, rue de la Grosse Pierre BP 40160 94533 RUNGIS Cedex

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System Firmware: F840
by George Kahler 17 Dec '04

17 Dec '04

I'm about to flash the system board with the latest firmware 4.3. Q: at the end of the flash process one always had to type "set-defaults" as is documented on the web page but not for version 4.3 ! Is this correct is this a typo (documentation omission) ? BTW, someone mention to me about some diagnostic (was it a floppy or another boot diskette ?) Pls advise. Thx, G. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- George Kahler e-mail: george(a)yorku.ca Sr. Systems Administrator humans: (416) 736-2100 x.22699 Computing and Network Services machines: (416) 736-5830 Ontario, Canada, M3J-1P3

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Netcache in transparent mode
by Michael Schipp 17 Dec '04

17 Dec '04

Hi all, I am not sure if the Netcache can do this. What the customer wants is to have is the Netcache (C1200 - running 5.5R5) in transparent mode as well as reverse proxy (web accelerator). No problems so far, but the customer also wants to block Windows 2000 AD computers groups from accessing instant messaging. They also want to rsh the ACL so that they can turn on and off different AD computer groups. As far as I know this means we need to do a auth on HTTP in the ACL. When I do this the browser is prompted for username and password (well is did after I found the transparent Auth tick box :)). However the customer does not want to be prompted but wants passthrough authentication. Can this be done? Any help/thoughts on this much is appreciated. Thanks Michael Schipp.

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Qlogic ISP2100 on 840
by Ben Rockwood 14 Dec '04

14 Dec '04

Hello Toasters. Does anyone know why Qlogic ISP2100's aren't supported on F840? 2100's are as generic as you get in the world of Fibre Channel and it seems odd to me that they wouldn't be supported. The only thing I can figure is that the drivers were only written for the Alpha's in the 700 Series Filers, but thats only a lame guess. I'm doing some testing with an old 840 and need more than the 2 HBAs I currently have installed. I've got piles of 2100's removed from old 740 and 740's and would love to use them. Any tricks around or am I just SOL? Thanx. benr.

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SGI mail issues on Filer
by Carlos A. Alvarez 14 Dec '04

14 Dec '04

Hi all, I mounted on Filer the users mailbox, and when a user requests her/him mailbox, it is locked (hang) and ipop3d process appears awaiting and adding.(/usr/mail/*.lock & *.lock.1106.....) The server SGI is acting as SMTP and POP3 server mounting Filer NFS V3 /etc/fstab on SGI filer:/vol/vol1/indy /filer nfs rw 0 0 filer:/vol/vol1/indy /var/mail nfs rw 0 0 Any comment would be appreciated. Thanks

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Su empresa sin papel - Automatización de Procesos
by Gestion documental 14 Dec '04

14 Dec '04

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Economy is finally getting better
by Keven Tobin 11 Dec '04

11 Dec '04

Get a capable html e-mailer

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RE: SGI mail issues on Filer
by Graeme Fowler 11 Dec '04

11 Dec '04

Hi Chris Lamb wrote: > Not to pick on you, Graeme, but I just cannot believe > that almost TEN YEARS LATER that this belief that "NFS > is bad for mailboxes" persists. OK, I'll add the caveat that in _my experience_, NFS is bad for mbox or other file-based mailbox formats in situations where there are multiple NFS clients (read: SMTP, IMAP and POP servers in a load-balanced farm) doing simultaneous delivery and client reads via IMAP4 or POP3. To expand a little, I've personally never deployed a single production mailbox on an NFS backend where there weren't multiple frontends in use! > We solved it a decade ago, folks... true, NFS locking > has never been easy or pretty, but with care it could work. > Perhaps with NFS v4's locking support people will finally > start to reevaluate those old NFS prejudices? Hrm... on a personal note this is about the only NFS "prejudice" I have - and you've now blown it out the water ;-) > Just one fairly nasty side-effect of maildir format on > filers: the 4K block size. I'll keep an eye on that. Thanks. Graeme

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Toasterview v0.2
by Ben Rockwood 11 Dec '04

11 Dec '04

Hey All. Several people asked me to report to the list when I released ToasterView 0.2, and here it is. You can download it and see a demo page here: http://www.cuddletech.com/code/toasterview/index.html (There is also a nifty image of it on the frontpage of cuddletech.com right now) I'm open to any requests or contributions to the code base. It's a pretty nifty tool. The new version adds an expansion module that leverages RRDtool to graph and chart the growth of volumes over time (1 hour, 6 hours, 1 day, 1 week, etc). It's a handy way to keep an eye on just how much is really changing and also can report when more change occurs in a given time period (namely 1 hour) than is sane. As always it's GPL so pass it around. :) benr.

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RE: SGI mail issues on Filer
by Graeme Fowler 10 Dec '04

10 Dec '04

Hi all First off, a small introduction: I'm the Hosting Development Engineer for PIPEX Hosting in the UK. I have a small interest (depending how you look at size!) in NetApp kit, in that we're running them for a number of different applications. On 10 December 2004 09:35, owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com wrote: > Conventional wisdom is (was) that you cannot run pop over > NFS: the file/record locking is inadequate. Certainly my > Qualcomm pop documentation says you mustn't use NFS. Using file-based (UNIX spool, mbox format etc) mailboxes over NFS is bad. Using directory-based, such as Maildir format where every message is a separate file, over NFS is eminently possible - I know of several instances of very large installations using exactly this setup. > Similar issues with mail delivery agents (am I using the > right term?) dropping mail into an NFS mounted directory (I use > sendmail). It depends on the format you're delivering - I've successfully used Exim 3.x and 4.x to achieve Maildir deliveries, with courier-imap (and POP) to allow users to read it. Hope that helps Graeme

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DR for exchange 5.5
by SKIP HOFMANN 10 Dec '04

10 Dec '04

Hello all We are going through DR scenario for our exchange 5.5 server. The domain is NT, our DB and logs our on a FAS 250 on separate Vol, and we are running snap manager and netapp drive version 1.1 to create the snapshots and also setup the drive mappings to the filer so we can mount the database. My questions are #1 if the exchange 5.5 server has a hardware problem or an OS problem, what steps must we take to bring up a new exchange 5.5 server, and then point all the clients to the exchange box? If we bring up a new exchange box, do we have to give this server the same name as the old exchange box? Thanks very much Skip Hofmann Senior Network Administrator MCSE 2000 NT MCP+I TetraTech Skip.Hofmann(a)ttisg.com <mailto:Skip.Hofmann@ttisg.com> 949 500 5286 cell 949 608 5801 office

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Offer For Representative
by mattliam_agro_allied 10 Dec '04

10 Dec '04

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Samba 3 and PDC ?
by Frank Bonnet 09 Dec '04

09 Dec '04

Hello filers fans The coming of Samba 3.x brings my ritual question :-) Does a samba 3 server will be identify as a windows PDC by Ontap and thus would be able to use CIFS connections from clients to Samba server ? Thanks a lot. -- Cordialement/Regards Frank Bonnet

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Oracle Volumes
by rkb 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

Had a meeting yestarday with my DBA team. We were discussing going to production with RAC boxes. They want to distribute Oracle across 3 volumes, Data, Redo, Archive. They prefer small volumes in the neighborhood of 100 Gig espeically for the Data Vols since we own SnapRestore. We'll only put one Oracle DB on a data Volume. Surely though we won't need 100 Gig especially since we are stripping the Redo and Archive logs out of there. I have all 72 Gig drives and warned that a 2 or 3 drive Volume is probably too small a number of disks. We are not at 6.5 (yet) so we didn't discuss Double Parity but its certainly on my agenda. So I'm counting on 2 parity drives when we get there. So minimally they want a 3 disk volume for (2 parity drives) for Oracle. What say you all? Would you, are you putting the hot writing Redo logs on a volume with other stuff? How is contention for that Volume? I told them "think differently about NetApp". Its not JBOD... I told them to think about that 128 MB (we have a FAS940) cache as "your disk" and not to worry about how NetApp flushes those writes out to disk. Think large volumes not smaller ones. Does Data Fabric Mgr. help identify "hot disks"? Statit? TIA -Bob Borowicz

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RE: Oracle Volumes
by Reinoud Reynders 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

Hi Bob, Go for enough spindles. So go for large volumes and a lot of spindles. You can separate logs and data because the have a totally different behaviour, depending on the I/O load of that DB). Ontap 7g will solve your problem (you can give them small volumes and you can use a lot of spindles in your aggregate. But it's maybe to soon to go to 7g. This depends on your upgrade strategy and the risk that you want to take. DFM can indeed identify your hotspots. We use that, but we also use statit (with a shedulded task (rsh script) and put the results in our management system). Reinoud UZLeuven Belgium -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] Namens rkb Verzonden: woensdag 8 december 2004 12:16 Aan: toasters(a)mathworks.com Onderwerp: Oracle Volumes Had a meeting yestarday with my DBA team. We were discussing going to production with RAC boxes. They want to distribute Oracle across 3 volumes, Data, Redo, Archive. They prefer small volumes in the neighborhood of 100 Gig espeically for the Data Vols since we own SnapRestore. We'll only put one Oracle DB on a data Volume. Surely though we won't need 100 Gig especially since we are stripping the Redo and Archive logs out of there. I have all 72 Gig drives and warned that a 2 or 3 drive Volume is probably too small a number of disks. We are not at 6.5 (yet) so we didn't discuss Double Parity but its certainly on my agenda. So I'm counting on 2 parity drives when we get there. So minimally they want a 3 disk volume for (2 parity drives) for Oracle. What say you all? Would you, are you putting the hot writing Redo logs on a volume with other stuff? How is contention for that Volume? I told them "think differently about NetApp". Its not JBOD... I told them to think about that 128 MB (we have a FAS940) cache as "your disk" and not to worry about how NetApp flushes those writes out to disk. Think large volumes not smaller ones. Does Data Fabric Mgr. help identify "hot disks"? Statit? TIA -Bob Borowicz

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Associate
by Micheal H John 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

Dear Friend, I pray this email meet you in soundness of body and spirit. Am in search of a competent associate oversea who will carefully act as my front before I summit my financial report for the 4th quarter of the financial fiscal year 2004 to the board of directors of my bank. Am Michael John, , Regional Treasury Manager of HSBC. However ,am contacting you based on your reputation, and country of origin that will be attached to this project. As the MD of my branch ,I realized that $28million is not recorded by the auditor general in his compiled files. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating this money by filing for an affidavit of claim for it in accordance with the operational measures of HSBC in clearing a dormant account before I will summit my financial report for the 4th quarter for the financial fiscal 2004 to our firm board of directors in other for the funds not to be recorded in the report. HSBC guidelines stipulates that if such money remained unclaimed for over a period of 3 years with the account unserviceable (DORMANT) the money will be confiscated and this will happen in the next few weeks into the 4th quarter of the financial fiscal year 2004 if nobody comes for the deposited consignment. As you can tell that we are in the last quater of the financial fiscal year 2004. I now seek your consent to act as my front based on your country of origin, so that this consignment valued at US$28 million dollars can be paid to you as the beneficiary as I have secured from the probate by the virtue of my desk as the regional manager to approve of such affidavit of claim. And its base on my position that I am taking due advantage of to have the funds cleared by a foreign associate to act as the beneficiary of the $28million and then we can split the sum in ratio 70% for me to 30% for you. I guarantee that this will be executed under legitimate arrangement that will protect you from any breach of the law as the regional MD of HSBC. The underline course of my action is due to my retirement plan next year, and the firm holds no brighter future for me, and am a father of 5,hope you wont conceive the wrong thought of I not been loyal to my firm. For equity is not for the indolent ,but for the vigilant. Upon your response I will give you further information inclusive of our bank WebPage and with the needed documents that will present you as the beneficiary of the funds and I working from the inside will approve you as the beneficiary to the funds. With a longing grace ,looking forward to working with you. Michael John HSBC Regional Treasury Manager London Branch. NB Note that the onus of approving the funds rest on my desk and its on this edge that the transaction got the uniqueness of realization. ------------------------------------------ Este mensaje fue enviado usando ZONAiMail. "Registra tu buzón con ZONAi ya!" http://www.zonai.com

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