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Lose weight the easy way.
by Wayne A. Deborah 23 Jul '05

23 Jul '05

Hi, Is the manager missing walking? Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first. TTYL, Lynette Stephan

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FC TapeSAN compatibility
by Derek Lai 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

Anyone know if X2051A is compatible with a Brocade Silkworm 3250? I saw some email about problems on this alias with a X2051A and 3200. I checked NOW and there is a Brocade switch configuration for TapeSAN backup solution, http://www.netapp.com/osn/info/fc/brocade.html that seems to indicate that it should be compatible. However, it does not mention X2051A specifically. I went to Brocade's web site and it does not mention Qlogic 2312. This part number also is not mentioned on Qlogic's web site. In fact, I can't find that part number on Brocade's web site at all! Why is that? Is it the same as qla2300, just an oem version? Derek

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RE: NetCache 5.6.2 and Windows updates
by Warkentin, Grant 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

Found two articles on the now.netapp.com site about netcache and windows update. Solution ID: ntapcs6927 Solution ID: kb5388 -- looks like this one is more likely - it specifically mentions BITS. NOTICE - This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and cooperation. ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Michael Schipp Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 6:03 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: NetCache 5.6.2 and Windows updates Hi all, I am having a problem with a NetCache in transparent mode with clients using Windows Updates. I have added the info from the NetCache logs and Windows Update logs. Has anybody seen this before? Any ideas on what could be causing the problem? Also getting something very similar for Apple updates. from NetCache log file 1121930841.463 1.381 138.25.254.13 TCP_MISS_PRIVATE_METHOD/200 405 HEAD http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabp ool/windowsxp-kb885836-x86-enu_f87074f42947ee275445bdd34dda472871ed3b41. exe - DIRECT/144.135.8.190 "application/x-msdownload" - From WindowsUpdate.log 8d0 DnldMgr *********** DnldMgr: New download job [UpdateId = {A13230F5-0B6A-4857-9E4E-6B5FC174A319}.10] *********** 2005-07-20 07:57:59 988 8d0 DnldMgr * BITS job initialized, JobId = {D4ADF644-F1A1-4724-883B-408399EECB60} 2005-07-20 07:58:00 988 8d0 DnldMgr * Downloading from http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabp ool/windowsxp-kb885836-x86-enu_f87074f42947ee275445bdd34dda472871ed3b41. exe to C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\Download\S-1-5-18\0f034613258cda0f8c8da1 5d1b762ae0\WindowsXP-KB885836-x86-ENU.exe (full file). 2005-07-20 07:58:02 988 ee4 DnldMgr WARNING: BITS job {D4ADF644-F1A1-4724-883B-408399EECB60} failed, updateId = {A13230F5-0B6A-4857-9E4E-6B5FC174A319}.10, hr = 0x80200011, BG_ERROR_CONTEXT = 5 2005-07-20 07:58:02 988 ee4 DnldMgr Progress failure bytes total = 528616, bytes transferred = 0 2005-07-20 07:58:02 988 ee4 DnldMgr Failed job file: URL = http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabp ool/windowsxp-kb885836-x86-enu_f87074f42947ee275445bdd34dda472871ed3b41. exe, local path = C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\Download\S-1-5-18\0f034613258cda0f8c8da1 5d1b762ae0\WindowsXP-KB885836-x86-ENU.exe 2005-07-20 07:58:02 988 ee4 DnldMgr WARNING: Download job failed because of insufficient range support. 2005-07-20 07:58:02 988 ee4 DnldMgr Error 0x80200011 occurred while downloading update; notifying dependent calls. 2005-07-20 07:58:02 988 Thanks Michael.

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NetCache 5.6.2 and Windows updates
by Michael Schipp 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

Hi all, I am having a problem with a NetCache in transparent mode with clients using Windows Updates. I have added the info from the NetCache logs and Windows Update logs. Has anybody seen this before? Any ideas on what could be causing the problem? Also getting something very similar for Apple updates. from NetCache log file 1121930841.463 1.381 138.25.254.13 TCP_MISS_PRIVATE_METHOD/200 405 HEAD http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabp ool/windowsxp-kb885836-x86-enu_f87074f42947ee275445bdd34dda472871ed3b41. exe - DIRECT/144.135.8.190 "application/x-msdownload" - From WindowsUpdate.log 8d0 DnldMgr *********** DnldMgr: New download job [UpdateId = {A13230F5-0B6A-4857-9E4E-6B5FC174A319}.10] *********** 2005-07-20 07:57:59 988 8d0 DnldMgr * BITS job initialized, JobId = {D4ADF644-F1A1-4724-883B-408399EECB60} 2005-07-20 07:58:00 988 8d0 DnldMgr * Downloading from http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabp ool/windowsxp-kb885836-x86-enu_f87074f42947ee275445bdd34dda472871ed3b41. exe to C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\Download\S-1-5-18\0f034613258cda0f8c8da1 5d1b762ae0\WindowsXP-KB885836-x86-ENU.exe (full file). 2005-07-20 07:58:02 988 ee4 DnldMgr WARNING: BITS job {D4ADF644-F1A1-4724-883B-408399EECB60} failed, updateId = {A13230F5-0B6A-4857-9E4E-6B5FC174A319}.10, hr = 0x80200011, BG_ERROR_CONTEXT = 5 2005-07-20 07:58:02 988 ee4 DnldMgr Progress failure bytes total = 528616, bytes transferred = 0 2005-07-20 07:58:02 988 ee4 DnldMgr Failed job file: URL = http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabp ool/windowsxp-kb885836-x86-enu_f87074f42947ee275445bdd34dda472871ed3b41. exe, local path = C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\Download\S-1-5-18\0f034613258cda0f8c8da1 5d1b762ae0\WindowsXP-KB885836-x86-ENU.exe 2005-07-20 07:58:02 988 ee4 DnldMgr WARNING: Download job failed because of insufficient range support. 2005-07-20 07:58:02 988 ee4 DnldMgr Error 0x80200011 occurred while downloading update; notifying dependent calls. 2005-07-20 07:58:02 988 Thanks Michael.

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F85 and iSCSI
by Kevin H. Schoener 21 Jul '05

21 Jul '05

I know this is unsupported, but has anyone tested iSCSI on an F85? If so, with what success? Kevin H. Schoener Lynx Technologies Inc. KHSchoener(a)LynxTechnologies.NET http://www.LynxTechnologies.NET/ 1576 Sweet Home Rd Suite 230C Amherst, NY 14228 716.636.5470 866.316.8599 fax 716.998.6065 cell

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INCORPORE GIS Y TELEDETECCION EN SU ORGANIZACION a costos accesibles
by gisrosaaurora＠ciudad.com.ar 21 Jul '05

21 Jul '05

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RE: FAS960 / DOT 7.0.1R1 / SAN LUN for Dell servers...?
by Glascock, Donald S. 20 Jul '05

20 Jul '05

Hi -- I've been doing more digging regarding the replies I've received so far: Rich Fenton wrote: > Have you tried running SANSurfer and seeing what targets/luns it > sees - this is usually pretty good at helping to debug problems I downloaded & installed the SANsurferHBA GUI for Linux/IA32 & ran it from one of the candidate boxes. It reports ... Error: SDOpenDevice(0, xx) failed (0x20000074) (Out of memory) Error: **NO** compatible HBAs found during scan - Terminating... ... which isn't overly surprising to me. I didn't expect to have the RedHat Enterprise Linux 3 AS Release 3 recognize & support the Qlogic card without a bunch of steps. One issue is installing the Linux driver for the card. The instructions I've found so far are, well, gnarly at best. Is there something I'm missing about this? But really, if zoning on the switch and masking on the NetApp are correct, shouldn't one be able to see the LUNs from the Qlogic Fast!Util BIOS configuration app? Or am I mistaken about this? Britt Bolen wrote: > You definitly use the WWPN not the WWNN in the igroups. > > You must use an igroup to map a lun, there's no way around it. > > When you're probing the luns from BIOS does 'fcp show initiator' > list the initiators as logged in? I'm 99% certain that I'm using the cards' WWPNs, as listed by the switch. When booting one of the candidate Dell servers & firing up Fast!Util, "fcp show initiator" lists: servername> fcp show initiator Initiators connected on adapter 9a: Portname Group . . . 21:00:00:e0:8b:09:6e:7b cruncher1Group . . . ... which matches the entry on the switch. If I shut down the Dell server in question, then this entry disappears from the output. And here's one LUN that should be visible: serverName> lun show -m /vol/san/cruncher1 /vol/san/cruncher1 cruncher1Group 0 FCP serverName> [I wiped out some extra spaces to make the line mail-friendly.] This leads me to think that the zoning and masking are set correctly: the NetApp sees the initiator, knows which group it's in, and has a LUN ready to serve to that group. Yet the Dell server in question can't see it. Ilya Birman wrote: > What SAN switches are you using? It possible to mask LUNS on > your switch too. Cisco MDS can discover luns and then mask > them to host. I have a generic Qlogic SANbox2-16. There is a minor firmware update available for it, so I plan to upgrade it in the next day or two. Perhaps that is one of the issues. But I don't seem to see any hooks on this switch for LUN masking. This is the switch through which all of our Dell and HP-UX servers see LUNs served from the old DotHill SAN RAID controller, and through which our HP-UX servers see their LUNs served by the NetApp. But Fast!Util on all of our Dells can't see the NetApp's LUNs: the "Fibre Disk Utility" reports "Selected device is not a disk device" when selecting one of the NetApp IDs. Thanks to all of you for your replies. Are there other tricks worth trying? Have a great day! Don Glascock -- Donald S. Glascock Mailstop RO-SN-2-220 Special Purpose Processor Development Group Mayo Foundation Rochester, MN 55905 Glascock.Donald(a)Mayo.EDU +1.507.538.5467 +1.507.284.9171 (fax) http://www.mayo.edu/sppdg "No matter where you go, there you are." > -----Original Message----- > From: Glascock, Donald > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 5:05 PM > To: 'Mun.Luke'; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: RE: FAS960 / DOT 7.0.1R1 / SAN LUN for Dell servers...? > > > > Hi, Luke -- > > Thanks for taking the time to respond. > > I've just re-verified that the cards have the correct & latest > BIOS firmware. These range from old QLA2200 cards to new, Dell- > specific QLA2322 cards. > > Since they all fail to see their NetApp LUNs, there must be > something going on that I just don't understand, but I don't know > what, since they see the DotHill RAID controller's masked LUNs. > Since the Dell servers can see the NetApp's HBAs, my guess is that > the NetApp's initiator groups are the most likely candidates. Does > one use the WWPN listed in the switch's GUI, as I did for our HP-UX > servers? Is there a way to serve a NetApp LUN without assigning it > to an initiator group (for debugging purposes)? > > Thanks for your help! > > Don Glascock > > -- > Donald S. Glascock > Mailstop RO-SN-2-220 > Special Purpose Processor Development Group > Mayo Foundation > Rochester, MN 55905 > Glascock.Donald(a)Mayo.EDU +1.507.538.5467 +1.507.284.9171 (fax) > http://www.mayo.edu/sppdg > "No matter where you go, there you are." > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mun.Luke [mailto:Luke.Mun@IGT.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:43 AM > > To: 'Glascock, Donald S.'; toasters(a)mathworks.com > > Subject: RE: FAS960 / DOT 7.0.1R1 / SAN LUN for Dell servers...? > > > > > > Update your Firmware on Qlogic HBA. I've seen this problem > > Emulex card > > before and that fixed it. > > > > luke > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com > > [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On > > Behalf Of Glascock, Donald S. > > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:11 AM > > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > > Subject: FAS960 / DOT 7.0.1R1 / SAN LUN for Dell servers...? > > > > > > Hi -- > > > > We have a few Dell PowerEdge servers (2850s, 2650s, 6850s) > > attached to our baby SAN: a single Qlogic SANbox2. Our first > > foray into SAN disk service was through a DotHill SANnet4320, > > which worked well and was cheap in a time when SAN standards > > were still developing. > > > > If the boot process of any of the Dell servers is interrupted > > with a ^Q, the Qlogic FC HBA FAST!UTIL BIOS leaps into high gear. > > The disk utilities therein can see the LUNs offered by the DotHill > > box. > > > > However, the Qlogic FAST!UTIL disk utility cannot see the LUNs > > offered by our new NetApp FAS960. Our HP-UX servers see their > > associated LUNs offered from it, and the Dell servers see the two > > HBAs to which the NetApp is attached to the SAN. But no LUNs. > > > > I'm copying & pasting the WWPN for the Dell servers from the > > SANsurfer switch admin GUI into the initiator group fields in > > FilerView on the NetApp, and these are the numbers I use on the > > DotHill box. The format seems fine, and typing the colon-separated > > numbers in by hand seems to make no difference. > > > > It is not clear to me how one offers a LUN from the NetApp without > > LUN masking: if the LUN were global, then at least this would be > > a good test. > > > > I've created several NetApp LUNs with different properties, and > > none seem to please the Dell boxes. Serving LUNs to the HP-UX > > servers worked on the first try, so I figure that I'm missing > > something obvious. But I don't know what. I've tried searching > > the Toasters archive, but haven't seen references to FAST!UTIL. > > > > Would you send me any suggestions you may have as to why > > FAST!UTIL and/or the NetApp seem to be unhappy, please? > > > > Thanks for your time & have a great day! > > > > Don Glascock > > > > -- > > Donald S. Glascock > > Mailstop RO-SN-2-220 > > Special Purpose Processor Development Group > > Mayo Foundation > > Rochester, MN 55905 > > Glascock.Donald(a)Mayo.EDU +1.507.538.5467 +1.507.284.9171 (fax) > > http://www.mayo.edu/sppdg > > "No matter where you go, there you are." > > >

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Re: ip protection
by Tom Yates 20 Jul '05

20 Jul '05

a colleague of mine is in the process of buying a netapp, but is a little off-put by the part of the purchase agreement that says: [...] > If a Product becomes, or in NetApp's opinion is likely to become, the > subject of an infringement claim, NetApp may, at its option:- > > buy back the Product by paying the Customer that Product?s reasonable > depreciated value. [...] he feels that building an important piece of company infrastructure on a device which can be repossessed by the vendor after purchase is complete might be a bit of a CLM (career-limiting move). has anyone else noticed this in the purchase agreement? does it worry anyone? what's the big idea? -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net

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(no subject)
by Abiola Oyewole 20 Jul '05

20 Jul '05

Please add my mail address to your NetApp mailing list Thanks

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RE: Tool / Script / Process required
by Hill, Aaron 19 Jul '05

19 Jul '05

Take a look at Intermine Filecensus. www.intermine.com <http://www.intermine.com/> . It doesn't do everything, but I think it will do what you are trying to achieve and a whole lot more. I have found that Filecensus compliments DataFabric Manager by providing more granular reporting features. Together they almost provide the Big-picture down to small-detail scaling that I would truly like to have. Filecensus will allow us to keep track of how particular shares have changed over time. Even better, we are able to view how particular file-types have changed over time. This is particularly applicable to unstructured data. By being able to figure out who and what is using the bulk of our storage, we are better informed to develop ILM and capacity strategies to deal with it. The dream? A broad-spectrum, multi-platform SRM tool that combines these types of tools all into one; DFM Filecensus VFM FLM Enterprise Security Reporter Aaron _____ From: Sundaram, Siva [mailto:Siva.Sundaram@pfizer.com] Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:52 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Tool / Script / Process required Hi, I am looking for a tool / script / process around Existing (Available) Storage Vs Storage Allocation in NetApp NAS infrastructure. The main purpose of this is to track the available storage and to look for storage growth. I want to go one level granular than qtrees. (since our group shares are one level under qtree). Thanks & Regards, Siva Sundaram Contractor KZO-CIT-Data Storage 269-544-6564 ************** IMPORTANT MESSAGE ************** This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ***************************************************************

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Tool / Script / Process required
by Sundaram, Siva 19 Jul '05

19 Jul '05

Hi, I am looking for a tool / script / process around Existing (Available) Storage Vs Storage Allocation in NetApp NAS infrastructure. The main purpose of this is to track the available storage and to look for storage growth. I want to go one level granular than qtrees. (since our group shares are one level under qtree). Thanks & Regards, Siva Sundaram Contractor KZO-CIT-Data Storage 269-544-6564

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19 Jul '05

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19 Jul '05

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17 Jul '05

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Important - Cable TV Users
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16 Jul '05

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RE: Searchable archive/upgrade from 6.4 to 6.5
by Michael Schipp 15 Jul '05

15 Jul '05

http://toasters.mathworks.com/toasters/Search.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Derek Lai Sent: Friday, 15 July 2005 11:10 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Searchable archive/upgrade from 6.4 to 6.5 Is there a searchable archive for past toasters emails? I'm about to upgrade from 6.4 to 6.5.3P4 and wants to see what others had experienced. Derek

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Searchable archive/upgrade from 6.4 to 6.5
by Derek Lai 15 Jul '05

15 Jul '05

Is there a searchable archive for past toasters emails? I'm about to upgrade from 6.4 to 6.5.3P4 and wants to see what others had experienced. Derek

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Moving to flexible volumes increases number of index blocks
by Edwards, John 15 Jul '05

15 Jul '05

Another reply I had sent to Chris directly. Your executive summary is correct. The other wrinkle is that in indirect blocks that are not embedded in inodes there is a 16 byte header embedded in the indirect block. As you note this makes the fan-out at each level 510 instead of 512. John Edwards > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Thompson [mailto:cet1@cus.cam.ac.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:14 PM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Moving to flexible volumes increases number of index blocks > > It turns out that moving files from traditional volumes to > flexible volumes makes them "grow", in the sense that they > have more index blocks, as accounted in "ls -s" output, and > charged against quotas. I think it's a bit sneaky of NetApp > to have done this without mentioning it in their conversion > documents. > > Executive summary: disk block addresses in inodes and in index > blocks have changed from 4-byte to 8-byte objects. (That's > conjecture, of course, but it seems to explain the observed > effects.) > > Files <= 64 bytes use no blocks (that is unchanged). > Files <= 32 KB (used to be 64 KB) use ceil(size/4KB) data > blocks only, no index blocks. > Files up to c. 2 MB (used to be 4 MB) use ceil(size/4KB) > data blocks and one 4 KB index block > Files up to c. 4 MB (used to be 8 MB) use ceil(size/4KB) > data blocks and two 4 KB index blocks > ... > > The main expansion effect comes from files in the 32KB+1 to > 64KB size range, where the extra index block is a significant > proportion of the total. > > Has anyone worked out the new formulae in nit-picking detail? > I say "c. 2 MB" above because the transition actually occurs > a few blocks before 2 MB: I think there may be some overhead > in the index blocks so that not quite 512 addresses will fit > in them. > > -- > Chris Thompson > Email: cet1(a)cam.ac.uk

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FW: Aggregate inodes
by Edwards, John 15 Jul '05

15 Jul '05

I originally replied directly to Chris, who pointed out that the answer might be of interest to the mailing list. The aggregate has a little file system inside to hold data related to the aggregate and the flexible volumes. There are two key files per flexible volume and 1 directory per flexible volume. In some cases (mirroring, flex cache, etc.) there may be an additional inode used per flexible volume. Typically the free inodes in the aggregate are never used and take no additional space. John > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Thompson [mailto:cet1@cus.cam.ac.uk] > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:13 AM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Aggregate inodes > > What does the output of "df -A -i" mean for a non-traditional aggregate? > For example: > > > df -A -i main > Aggregate iused ifree %iused > main 108 31034 0% > > Such aggregates always seem to have 30000+ "inodes", regardless of size, > and to use 3 more each time a flexible volume is allocated inside the > aggregate. > > -- > Chris Thompson > Email: cet1(a)cam.ac.uk

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Moving to flexible volumes increases number of index blocks
by Chris Thompson 13 Jul '05

13 Jul '05

It turns out that moving files from traditional volumes to flexible volumes makes them "grow", in the sense that they have more index blocks, as accounted in "ls -s" output, and charged against quotas. I think it's a bit sneaky of NetApp to have done this without mentioning it in their conversion documents. Executive summary: disk block addresses in inodes and in index blocks have changed from 4-byte to 8-byte objects. (That's conjecture, of course, but it seems to explain the observed effects.) Files <= 64 bytes use no blocks (that is unchanged). Files <= 32 KB (used to be 64 KB) use ceil(size/4KB) data blocks only, no index blocks. Files up to c. 2 MB (used to be 4 MB) use ceil(size/4KB) data blocks and one 4 KB index block Files up to c. 4 MB (used to be 8 MB) use ceil(size/4KB) data blocks and two 4 KB index blocks ... The main expansion effect comes from files in the 32KB+1 to 64KB size range, where the extra index block is a significant proportion of the total. Has anyone worked out the new formulae in nit-picking detail? I say "c. 2 MB" above because the transition actually occurs a few blocks before 2 MB: I think there may be some overhead in the index blocks so that not quite 512 addresses will fit in them. -- Chris Thompson Email: cet1(a)cam.ac.uk

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RE: FAS960 / DOT 7.0.1R1 / SAN LUN for Dell servers...?
by Glascock, Donald S. 13 Jul '05

13 Jul '05

Hi, Luke -- Thanks for taking the time to respond. I've just re-verified that the cards have the correct & latest BIOS firmware. These range from old QLA2200 cards to new, Dell- specific QLA2322 cards. Since they all fail to see their NetApp LUNs, there must be something going on that I just don't understand, but I don't know what, since they see the DotHill RAID controller's masked LUNs. Since the Dell servers can see the NetApp's HBAs, my guess is that the NetApp's initiator groups are the most likely candidates. Does one use the WWPN listed in the switch's GUI, as I did for our HP-UX servers? Is there a way to serve a NetApp LUN without assigning it to an initiator group (for debugging purposes)? Thanks for your help! Don Glascock -- Donald S. Glascock Mailstop RO-SN-2-220 Special Purpose Processor Development Group Mayo Foundation Rochester, MN 55905 Glascock.Donald(a)Mayo.EDU +1.507.538.5467 +1.507.284.9171 (fax) http://www.mayo.edu/sppdg "No matter where you go, there you are." > -----Original Message----- > From: Mun.Luke [mailto:Luke.Mun@IGT.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:43 AM > To: 'Glascock, Donald S.'; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: RE: FAS960 / DOT 7.0.1R1 / SAN LUN for Dell servers...? > > > Update your Firmware on Qlogic HBA. I've seen this problem > Emulex card > before and that fixed it. > > luke > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com > [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On > Behalf Of Glascock, Donald S. > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:11 AM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: FAS960 / DOT 7.0.1R1 / SAN LUN for Dell servers...? > > > Hi -- > > We have a few Dell PowerEdge servers (2850s, 2650s, 6850s) > attached to our baby SAN: a single Qlogic SANbox2. Our first > foray into SAN disk service was through a DotHill SANnet4320, > which worked well and was cheap in a time when SAN standards > were still developing. > > If the boot process of any of the Dell servers is interrupted > with a ^Q, the Qlogic FC HBA FAST!UTIL BIOS leaps into high gear. > The disk utilities therein can see the LUNs offered by the DotHill > box. > > However, the Qlogic FAST!UTIL disk utility cannot see the LUNs > offered by our new NetApp FAS960. Our HP-UX servers see their > associated LUNs offered from it, and the Dell servers see the two > HBAs to which the NetApp is attached to the SAN. But no LUNs. > > I'm copying & pasting the WWPN for the Dell servers from the > SANsurfer switch admin GUI into the initiator group fields in > FilerView on the NetApp, and these are the numbers I use on the > DotHill box. The format seems fine, and typing the colon-separated > numbers in by hand seems to make no difference. > > It is not clear to me how one offers a LUN from the NetApp without > LUN masking: if the LUN were global, then at least this would be > a good test. > > I've created several NetApp LUNs with different properties, and > none seem to please the Dell boxes. Serving LUNs to the HP-UX > servers worked on the first try, so I figure that I'm missing > something obvious. But I don't know what. I've tried searching > the Toasters archive, but haven't seen references to FAST!UTIL. > > Would you send me any suggestions you may have as to why > FAST!UTIL and/or the NetApp seem to be unhappy, please? > > Thanks for your time & have a great day! > > Don Glascock > > -- > Donald S. Glascock > Mailstop RO-SN-2-220 > Special Purpose Processor Development Group > Mayo Foundation > Rochester, MN 55905 > Glascock.Donald(a)Mayo.EDU +1.507.538.5467 +1.507.284.9171 (fax) > http://www.mayo.edu/sppdg > "No matter where you go, there you are." >

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RE: 10TB storage options.
by Hill, Aaron 13 Jul '05

13 Jul '05

Checkout the Isilon storage range; www.isilon.com - Strong focus and customer base on video and image storage. They are extremely scalable clusters. You just plug another one of their modules in when you want more performance. Scales to 150 TB in a cluster using GigE or infiniband SAN connectivity. They are pretty impressive, won't surprise me if one of the big storage behemoths tries to buy them out. If you have the SAN storage under control on the back-end, you can always look at the clustered front-end to improve performance with a solution like that offered by Polyserve. www.polyserve.com These clustered front-ends are something I think Netapp are aiming for with the integration of Spinnaker/SpinFS into their product offering. Added unified namespace across the storage pool and some automated provisioning, it should be a very impressive offering. 10 Gigabit Ethernet and virtualised iSCSI would be nice too (and no, iSNS doesn't do this). Question is, will NetApp get it all to market in time? All fun stuff and a great time to be in storage. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Maren S. Leizaola [mailto:leizaola@hk.com] Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2005 7:52 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: 10TB storage options. I've got a customer that is looking for a 10TB system to store in bound streaming video. Which they delete after 60 days. So far from the requirements I think SAN is more suitable as they need very fast throughputs when processing the video (sequential reading.) So far SATA based solutions win over FC and SCSI based HD's as the volume of drives needed is substantial. What good FC + SATA SAN can you guys suggest? - If the customer connect directly the storage box to the server via FC? - If the customer uses a FC switch and allows multiple servers access to SAN? I am asking as I recal someone posting something a while back on this subject. Maren. -------------------------------------------------------------- HKdotCOM Ltd Tel: 852 2865-4865 ext 888 Fax: 852 2865-4100 leizaola(a)hk.com AIM: MarenHKdotCOM ICQ: 39905706 MSN:MarenHKdotCOM -------------------------------------------------------------- Get your @hk.com email address on http://www.hk.com ************** IMPORTANT MESSAGE ************** This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ***************************************************************

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10TB storage options.
by Maren S. Leizaola 12 Jul '05

12 Jul '05

I've got a customer that is looking for a 10TB system to store in bound streaming video. Which they delete after 60 days. So far from the requirements I think SAN is more suitable as they need very fast throughputs when processing the video (sequential reading.) So far SATA based solutions win over FC and SCSI based HD's as the volume of drives needed is substantial. What good FC + SATA SAN can you guys suggest? - If the customer connect directly the storage box to the server via FC? - If the customer uses a FC switch and allows multiple servers access to SAN? I am asking as I recal someone posting something a while back on this subject. Maren. -------------------------------------------------------------- HKdotCOM Ltd Tel: 852 2865-4865 ext 888 Fax: 852 2865-4100 leizaola(a)hk.com AIM: MarenHKdotCOM ICQ: 39905706 MSN:MarenHKdotCOM -------------------------------------------------------------- Get your @hk.com email address on http://www.hk.com

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FAS960 / DOT 7.0.1R1 / SAN LUN for Dell servers...?
by Glascock, Donald S. 12 Jul '05

12 Jul '05

Hi -- We have a few Dell PowerEdge servers (2850s, 2650s, 6850s) attached to our baby SAN: a single Qlogic SANbox2. Our first foray into SAN disk service was through a DotHill SANnet4320, which worked well and was cheap in a time when SAN standards were still developing. If the boot process of any of the Dell servers is interrupted with a ^Q, the Qlogic FC HBA FAST!UTIL BIOS leaps into high gear. The disk utilities therein can see the LUNs offered by the DotHill box. However, the Qlogic FAST!UTIL disk utility cannot see the LUNs offered by our new NetApp FAS960. Our HP-UX servers see their associated LUNs offered from it, and the Dell servers see the two HBAs to which the NetApp is attached to the SAN. But no LUNs. I'm copying & pasting the WWPN for the Dell servers from the SANsurfer switch admin GUI into the initiator group fields in FilerView on the NetApp, and these are the numbers I use on the DotHill box. The format seems fine, and typing the colon-separated numbers in by hand seems to make no difference. It is not clear to me how one offers a LUN from the NetApp without LUN masking: if the LUN were global, then at least this would be a good test. I've created several NetApp LUNs with different properties, and none seem to please the Dell boxes. Serving LUNs to the HP-UX servers worked on the first try, so I figure that I'm missing something obvious. But I don't know what. I've tried searching the Toasters archive, but haven't seen references to FAST!UTIL. Would you send me any suggestions you may have as to why FAST!UTIL and/or the NetApp seem to be unhappy, please? Thanks for your time & have a great day! Don Glascock -- Donald S. Glascock Mailstop RO-SN-2-220 Special Purpose Processor Development Group Mayo Foundation Rochester, MN 55905 Glascock.Donald(a)Mayo.EDU +1.507.538.5467 +1.507.284.9171 (fax) http://www.mayo.edu/sppdg "No matter where you go, there you are."

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