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Remove disk from vol0??
by Bryano 10 Sep '07

10 Sep '07

Hi, I currently administer a FAS 940 and the vol0 volume has been assigned 5 disks giving it a total of 191GB of space however only 3% of this is used so in effect 3 of the disks are wasted. Is there anyway to remove 3 disks from this volume? the filer is running ontap 6.5.6 so we are not using aggregates. Regards -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Remove-disk-from-vol0---tf4413856.html#a12590665 Sent from the Network Appliance - Toasters mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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RE: No spare disks for root
by Alan McLachlan 10 Sep '07

10 Sep '07

Hi Mike, Agreed - but this can be avoided with judicious use of quota management - hence my comment"Any other issues are about configuration and administration and are easy to deal with if you know what you're doing." Having all CIFS shares and/or NFS exports coming from withing quota'd qtrees is something I would tend to do and recommend anyway, along with SNMP traps for warning thresholds etc., but admittedly it only takes someone to slack off and start putting data outside those qtrees and then you do run the risk of a full rootvol. Hence why a small FlexVol dedicated to root is the way to go if you're able to run newer versions of OnTap. Unfortunately in the situation under discussion it's an old F760 with a pre-7 version of version of OnTAP and no support contract therefore no way to (legally) upgrade the OS. Regards, Alan. _____________________________________________ From: "Sphar, Mike" [mailto:Mike_Sphar@bmc.com] Sent: Thursday, 6 September 2007 2:51 AM To: <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Subject: RE: No spare disks for root I certainly had many many years of filers sharing data on the root volume as well, but I would point out that one danger with that is sometimes running out of space on the root volume can do Bad Things(tm). I agree though that if I had an already production system serving data sharing the root volume I wouldn't go into panic mode over it, but if I had the freedom to start over and do it "right", I probably would. Though still, if I was starting over I'd prefer to upgrade to a version of the OS that supports flexvols, and then use a small root flexvol. -- Michael W. Sphar - IS&T - Lead Systems Administrator SMBU Engineering Support Services, BMC Software -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Alan McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:52 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: No spare disks for root Hi Coolhand, Why do you feel that having the small amount of root info in the /etc directory in the same volume as your data is a problem? Having all the disks on the root volume isn't really a problem. I installed many filers in the days before NetApp started recommending people dedicate two disks for the root volume, and never had any issues with using the root vol for data. In fact most of my customers for five years or so when I worked as an SE for a NetApp reseller user vol0 for data such as user homedirs and workgroup directories and no-one even really thought about it. A second volume is needed only where you want to change volume level options ("minra", "noatimeupdate" etc), or have a separate volume for database tablespace files or iSCSI/FCP LUN's. Qtree quotas can deal with most space restriction requirements. Also you will want multiple volumes if you're doing bare-metal backups ("snapmirror to tape") or DR replication for application data volumes with differing RTO's/RPO's. The only real advantage to be gained by dedicating disks for the root volume in earlier versions (before Ontap 7 with FlexVols with it's obvious additional benefits) is that the disks for a dedicated non-root data volume can be moved as a set to another filer and that data volume is then available on the second filer as a foreign volume without having to do extra steps after boot. Any other issues are about configuration and administration and are easy to deal with if you know what you're doing. The obvious major disadvantage to dedicating two disks for the root volume is the vast waste of storage space* at least in Ontap 7 with FlexVol you can have a dedicated root vol for administrative separation purposes without wasting space, although you now if you move physical disk sets all volumes in the same aggregate are visible on the filer you move the disks to. The administrative issues you mentioned are easily fixed. Just rerun CIFS setup and reconfigure to give yourself access. Or if you don't want to change an existing domain configuration you can modify the security information in /etc via the "rdfile" and "wrfile" commands with cut-and-paste, i.e. add the SID for the windows user to the "Administrators" group in lclgroups.cfg and/or add a mapping for the Windows user to "root" in usermap.cfg. Another thing to check is the security style on the volume and the permissions on the /etc directory. One handy thing to do is make the /etc directory a qtree: Filer> qtree create etcnew Copy the contents of /etc to /etcnew Rename /etc to /etcold (from Windows) Rename /etcnew to /etc Then you can delete the /etcold directory or keep it there for a backup. The advantage of doing this is it allows you to separate out /etc for quota management purposes. Also, for a CIFS-only filer in a large domain environment where you want to restrict access to /etc to only specific filer admins you can set the security style on /etc to "unix" then create mappings to "root" in usermap.cfg for specific Windows admin accounts while locking the rest of the "domain admins" out of /etc. You can edit the UNIX permissions on the new /etc qtree using the free SecureShare Access". I've done this on a couple of CIFS-only sites where they had lots of domain admins but wanted only specifically trained filer admins to have access to /etc and it works a treat. Hope this helps. If you need any more information send me an email to my personal address, AlanMac"at"technologist.com ^ (to avoid spambots when this post goes to the toasters archive web page) Regards, Alan McLachlan Technical Consultant EBM-2 Project Queensland Health Ph. +61 7 31311618 Mobile +61 428 655644 _____________________________________________ From: coolhand2120 [mailto:tony@claydesign.com] Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2007 9:34 AM To: <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Subject: No spare disks for root I have a netapp F760 with 4 FC shelves, because I'm ignorant of how these things work I added all my disks (28x72gb) to my root volume. Now I have no spare disks, and no room in any shelf to add disks. What do I do? I don't care about the information on the filer, I just want a root volume with 2 disks! I promise not to use all the disks on a single root volume again! I have a /etc directory on a NFS host. I don't have NFS license though so I can't copy files onto the filer via NFS, I have a CIFS license but for some reasons it says "access denied" when a CIFS client tries to access it. I have console access and telnet access, I'm so frustrated I took the filer home so I have physical access. I don't however have a support contract with netapp or an account on their site (pending their review of my application). I can't create any new volumes because all the disks are assigned to the root volume vol0. Is there anyway to fix this? -Coolhand2120 -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/No-spare-disks-for-root-tf4380728.html#a12487751 Sent from the Network Appliance - Toasters mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ***************************************************************** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). 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time stamp question
by Linux Admin 10 Sep '07

10 Sep '07

I have linux clients that have the following issue with time stamp I touch a file on netapp volume there isn't any hh:mm; but if I touch a local file there is a timestamp. NetApp Release 7.1.1: Any ideas?> Thanks!!!

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Bootp when you don't have boot floppies
by Tony 10 Sep '07

10 Sep '07

Somehow I screwed up my F760 so it wouldn't boot to the "CTRL+C" maintenance menu. I think I overwrote the boot images on the filers /etc/boot directory with some bad files, then it wouldn't boot anymore. Everyone I talked to said "use the floppies to boot". But I didn't have any floppies and no support contract with NetApp (may they win against Sun). So had a problem where I had the Data ONTAP images but no floppy disks. I had the 10mb boot file "netapp_6.5.7-alpha" in the /etc/boot directory of the ONTAP image but no way to get the filer to boot to it. I tried desperately for 4 days to find the image online or via my circle of geeky friends to no avail. So I delved into the firmware prompt (the OK> prompt), I think it's the firmware, correct me if I'm wrong. And found that I could boot from a bootp DHCP server by using the "boot net" command, for anyone who doesn't know you can get into this prompt by hitting CTRL+C right before it says 'finding image....' For those who are suffering from the 'Can't open boot device' error that's the only CTRL+C menu you're going to get to. Also all of this work is done via the console. I quickly setup a bootp server on my win2k3 box long with solarwinds TFTP server. Added the entries 'boot server host name:myservershostname' and 'bootfile name:netapp_6.5.7-alpha', configured the address pool I setup to allow both DHCP and BOOTP clients, then went into advanced on the DHCP's servers properties, exposed the bootp table, added my image file and path locally on the server as well as my TFPT address (same as the DHCP's address) and the damn thing booted right up! I could even watch the progress as it downloaded the file from the TFPT server. I used the CTRL+C menu (the proper one this time) to initialize all disk and off I'm going! Now I know all you veteran toaster admins are going "Well duh!". But you must understand that I have no education on NetApp's firmware or the Data ONTAP OS, and this is the first filer I've ever seen. This is pure experimentation on my part. There are others who have the same exact problem, and this IS a solution. You don't NEED floppies even if you totally destroy the software on the filer. Hope this helps someone who has the same issue as I did. -Tony

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VLAN Query
by Raj Patel 10 Sep '07

10 Sep '07

Hi, We have a SAN vlan (46) and a Data vlan (45) – on a single Cisco switch. To do inter-site data replication I need to make the trunk'd SAN connections aware of the VLAN's. Reading the NetApp docs I've done the following – kdcsan2> ifconfig multitrunk1 down kdcsan2> vlan create multitrunk1 45 46 kdcsan2> ifconfig multitrunk1-45 10.1.45.8 netmask 255.255.255.0 kdcsan2> ifconfig multitrunk1-46 10.1.46.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 kdcsan2> ifconfig multitrunk1-45 up kdcsan2> ifconfig multitrunk1-46 up But I haven't been able to to ping the box via either IP address. The switch ports are configured for the 46 vlan so at the very least I should be able to ping the switch gateway. The multitrunk1 consists of two nics in a fas270 going into two Cisco switch ports. Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong ? Do I need to define multiple gateways ? Thanks in advance, Raj.

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ACL not working
by Lohit 09 Sep '07

09 Sep '07

Hello All, I have a NFS exported qtree. The problem is, I am not able to set ACL on this directory. Details below. qtree name is "cfd-trg"(security=unix) exported with root=hostA. On hostA (this is a Solaris9 box), when i try setfacl, i get the following error. I have also tried with different hosts (CentOS etc) with nfs4 options etc, nothing worked. But i am able to set ACLs on local filesystems on all of the machines. trg749/: failed to set acl entries setacl error: Operation not applicable I have FAS940 with the following ONTAP release. NetApp Release 7.0.1.1: Thu Sep 22 01:47:46 PDT 2005 Sorry if i am missing any obvious thing. -- With warm regards Lohit

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NSO-153 storage networking exam
by kunle windapo 06 Sep '07

06 Sep '07

hi guys, has anyone taken the new nso-153 storage networking exam? i need to know if the questions are similar to what we have in nso-121, nso-131 and nso-151 exams. thank you. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&…

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No spare disks for root
by coolhand2120 06 Sep '07

06 Sep '07

I have a netapp F760 with 4 FC shelves, because I'm ignorant of how these things work I added all my disks (28x72gb) to my root volume. Now I have no spare disks, and no room in any shelf to add disks. What do I do? I don't care about the information on the filer, I just want a root volume with 2 disks! I promise not to use all the disks on a single root volume again! I have a /etc directory on a NFS host. I don't have NFS license though so I can't copy files onto the filer via NFS, I have a CIFS license but for some reasons it says "access denied" when a CIFS client tries to access it. I have console access and telnet access, I'm so frustrated I took the filer home so I have physical access. I don't however have a support contract with netapp or an account on their site (pending their review of my application). I can't create any new volumes because all the disks are assigned to the root volume vol0. Is there anyway to fix this? -Coolhand2120 -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/No-spare-disks-for-root-tf4380728.html#a12487751 Sent from the Network Appliance - Toasters mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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RE: No spare disks for root
by Alan McLachlan 05 Sep '07

05 Sep '07

Hi Coolhand, Why do you feel that having the small amount of root info in the /etc directory in the same volume as your data is a problem? Having all the disks on the root volume isn't really a problem. I installed many filers in the days before NetApp started recommending people dedicate two disks for the root volume, and never had any issues with using the root vol for data. In fact most of my customers for five years or so when I worked as an SE for a NetApp reseller user vol0 for data such as user homedirs and workgroup directories and no-one even really thought about it. A second volume is needed only where you want to change volume level options ("minra", "noatimeupdate" etc), or have a separate volume for database tablespace files or iSCSI/FCP LUN's. Qtree quotas can deal with most space restriction requirements. Also you will want multiple volumes if you're doing bare-metal backups ("snapmirror to tape") or DR replication for application data volumes with differing RTO's/RPO's. The only real advantage to be gained by dedicating disks for the root volume in earlier versions (before Ontap 7 with FlexVols with it's obvious additional benefits) is that the disks for a dedicated non-root data volume can be moved as a set to another filer and that data volume is then available on the second filer as a foreign volume without having to do extra steps after boot. Any other issues are about configuration and administration and are easy to deal with if you know what you're doing. The obvious major disadvantage to dedicating two disks for the root volume is the vast waste of storage space* at least in Ontap 7 with FlexVol you can have a dedicated root vol for administrative separation purposes without wasting space, although you now if you move physical disk sets all volumes in the same aggregate are visible on the filer you move the disks to. The administrative issues you mentioned are easily fixed. Just rerun CIFS setup and reconfigure to give yourself access. Or if you don't want to change an existing domain configuration you can modify the security information in /etc via the "rdfile" and "wrfile" commands with cut-and-paste, i.e. add the SID for the windows user to the "Administrators" group in lclgroups.cfg and/or add a mapping for the Windows user to "root" in usermap.cfg. Another thing to check is the security style on the volume and the permissions on the /etc directory. One handy thing to do is make the /etc directory a qtree: Filer> qtree create etcnew Copy the contents of /etc to /etcnew Rename /etc to /etcold (from Windows) Rename /etcnew to /etc Then you can delete the /etcold directory or keep it there for a backup. The advantage of doing this is it allows you to separate out /etc for quota management purposes. Also, for a CIFS-only filer in a large domain environment where you want to restrict access to /etc to only specific filer admins you can set the security style on /etc to "unix" then create mappings to "root" in usermap.cfg for specific Windows admin accounts while locking the rest of the "domain admins" out of /etc. You can edit the UNIX permissions on the new /etc qtree using the free SecureShare Access". I've done this on a couple of CIFS-only sites where they had lots of domain admins but wanted only specifically trained filer admins to have access to /etc and it works a treat. Hope this helps. If you need any more information send me an email to my personal address, AlanMac"at"technologist.com ^ (to avoid spambots when this post goes to the toasters archive web page) Regards, Alan McLachlan Technical Consultant EBM-2 Project Queensland Health Ph. +61 7 31311618 Mobile +61 428 655644 _____________________________________________ From: coolhand2120 [mailto:tony@claydesign.com] Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2007 9:34 AM To: <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Subject: No spare disks for root I have a netapp F760 with 4 FC shelves, because I'm ignorant of how these things work I added all my disks (28x72gb) to my root volume. Now I have no spare disks, and no room in any shelf to add disks. What do I do? I don't care about the information on the filer, I just want a root volume with 2 disks! I promise not to use all the disks on a single root volume again! I have a /etc directory on a NFS host. I don't have NFS license though so I can't copy files onto the filer via NFS, I have a CIFS license but for some reasons it says "access denied" when a CIFS client tries to access it. I have console access and telnet access, I'm so frustrated I took the filer home so I have physical access. I don't however have a support contract with netapp or an account on their site (pending their review of my application). I can't create any new volumes because all the disks are assigned to the root volume vol0. Is there anyway to fix this? -Coolhand2120 -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/No-spare-disks-for-root-tf4380728.html#a12487751 Sent from the Network Appliance - Toasters mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ***************************************************************** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is strictly prohibited. The information contained in this email, including any attachment sent with it, may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone collect on Australia +61 1800 198 175 or by return email. You should also delete this email, and any copies, from your computer system network and destroy any hard copies produced. If not an intended recipient of this email, you must not copy, distribute or take any action(s) that relies on it; any form of disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this email is also prohibited. Although Queensland Health takes all reasonable steps to ensure this email does not contain malicious software, Queensland Health does not accept responsibility for the consequences if any person's computer inadvertently suffers any disruption to services, loss of information, harm or is infected with a virus, other malicious computer programme or code that may occur as a consequence of receiving this email. Unless stated otherwise, this email represents only the views of the sender and not the views of the Queensland Government. ****************************************************************

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Re: No spare disks for root.
by Alan McLachlan 05 Sep '07

05 Sep '07

Sorry about that last post being so full of typos - it was rushed as I'm at work and didn't want to waste much time on it. Adam is obviously correct that you'll need to restart from scratch now if you need to reconfigure your volume layout, which will require a backup and restore if there's any real data there. Just carefully consider whether you really need a second or third volume from the perspective of your data profile, not just because of the general recommendation for a separate root volume. Not only will you lose most of one disk's worth of space, you're wasting another drive for parity. As long as you have your backup and restore procedures nailed down so you don't risk overwriting your active /etc directory on a full volume restore it's really not worth it. You can always keep a copy of your /etc config files on other media for quick recovery just in case anyway. regards, Alan McLachlan Technical Consultant EBM-2 Project Queensland Health Ph. +61 7 31311618 Mobile 0428 655644 ***************************************************************** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is strictly prohibited. The information contained in this email, including any attachment sent with it, may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone collect on Australia +61 1800 198 175 or by return email. You should also delete this email, and any copies, from your computer system network and destroy any hard copies produced. If not an intended recipient of this email, you must not copy, distribute or take any action(s) that relies on it; any form of disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this email is also prohibited. Although Queensland Health takes all reasonable steps to ensure this email does not contain malicious software, Queensland Health does not accept responsibility for the consequences if any person's computer inadvertently suffers any disruption to services, loss of information, harm or is infected with a virus, other malicious computer programme or code that may occur as a consequence of receiving this email. Unless stated otherwise, this email represents only the views of the sender and not the views of the Queensland Government. ****************************************************************

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CIFS & Cluster Failover
by Carl Howell 31 Aug '07

31 Aug '07

If I'm running CIFS on node 1 of a cluster, and I failover node 2 to node 1, will it disrupt the CIFS connections on node 1? Thanks, --Carl

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RE: CIFS & Cluster Failover
by Kevin Parker 31 Aug '07

31 Aug '07

Nope. Other way around would present a short disruption, but cf way yuo're going is fine. **Sent using wireless handheld... please excuse any typo's or brevity** Kevin Parker - NWN Corporation kparker(a)nwnit.com (m) 919.830.5819 (o) 919.653.4489 -----Original Message----- From: "Carl Howell" <chowell(a)uwf.edu> To: "toasters(a)mathworks.com" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: 8/31/2007 12:22 PM Subject: CIFS & Cluster Failover If I’m running CIFS on node 1 of a cluster, and I failover node 2 to node 1, will it disrupt the CIFS connections on node 1? Thanks, --Carl ________________________________ Note: This message and any attachments is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, legally privileged, confidential, and/or exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the original sender immediately by telephone or return email and destroy or delete this message along with any attachments immediately.

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Customer Support Bulletin CSB-0708-03: Critical Upgrade – AT-FCX FW to v34
by Philip Boyle 30 Aug '07

30 Aug '07

Hi guys, Has anyone had any issues with this firmware upgrade? http://now.netapp.com/NOW/products/csb/csb0708-03.shtml Thanks, Philip

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Dump
by David McWilliams 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

I know this is a little 'non-NetApp' related, but please bear with me. I am in the process of trying to troubleshoot a Veritas NDMP backup problem on a filer. I have been asked to try using the dump command on the filer to see if I can backup successfully, thus taking NetBackup out of the picture. I would appear to have an NDMP three-way config, is using the dump command to check this config valid? -- Sláinte, David Get a safer, faster, better web browser @ http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

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clarion cx3-20 vs. netapp
by Willeke, Jochen 28 Aug '07

28 Aug '07

Hi toasters, has anyone a clue to which netapp modell the clarion cx3-20 can be compared?? I have read an older toasters-post where it is put in the ring with a fas270c. Is this really a good competitor? What do you think? Best Regards and thanks for your opinion Jochen

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Cifs ACL reporting
by Jon Hill 26 Aug '07

26 Aug '07

We have a requirement to audit our cifs share security on a monthly basis. For my windows servers I use a vbscript leveraging WMI and the Win32_LogicalShareSecuritySetting. The filers don't respond to the WMI calls, so I thought I'd use plink to execute a cifs shares command. The problem is the formatting of the output of that command is atrocious - basically machine-unreadable. If I grep for "Domain Users," for example, I miss the shares that the group has access to. Plus the description field is usually separated from the path by a single space, which means there's no way for a script to tell where the path ends and the description begins (our paths include spaces). FilerView produces exactly the same output. I thought DFM might help but after reviewing the documentation it doesn't look like it applies. Has anyone come up with a good way to generate a useful (preferably tab-delimited) report on a filer's share permissions? If not I can ignore the description and path fields and kludge together the output I need. I was just hoping for a better way.

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nfs not working until cifs terminate
by Willeke, Jochen 24 Aug '07

24 Aug '07

Hi toasters, today we had a strange issue on one of our R200 with 7.2.3 on it. The nstore was not serving nfs at all. There was no messages in the logs and the r200 was feeling quite well doing some cifs-ops and some other stuff. We really had no clue what was going on and support was confused, too. The only idea we had was to reboot the system (although ontap is no windows, ha :D), so we connected to the console and started to shut down cifs first in order to shut down the system and suprise suprise, as soon as cifs termination was finished NFS started to work again. We then started cifs too and now everything is fine again. I am really confused how this is related. Has anybody ever had this effect or an idea upon this? Best Regards and thanks in advance Jochen

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AW: nfs logging / debugging
by Zeitschel, Philipp 24 Aug '07

24 Aug '07

Hi, in the syslog messages in FilerView is nothing about nfs. in the /etc/log/ems is a littlebit about nfs, but only lines like this: <LR d="20Aug2007 07:33:08" n="sodn02x" pn="sodn01x" t="1187587988" id="1184669953/106342" p="7" s="C=1U" o="ExportPool00" vf="erpvfiler"> <kern_syslog_msg_3 msg="Client erlm5p1x (xid 313175200), matches to erlm5p1x for misc access" vfilerName="erpvfiler"/> </LR> <LR d="20Aug2007 07:33:08" n="sodn02x" pn="sodn01x" t="1187587988" id="1184669953/106343" p="7" s="C=1U" o="ExportPool00" vf="erpvfiler"> <kern_syslog_msg_3 msg="Key erlm5p1x (xid 313175200), group ptdsiscon is not found in netgroup med for misc access" vfilerName="erpvfiler"/> </LR> <LR d="23Aug2007 17:14:28" n="sodn02x" pn="sodn01x" t="1187882068" id="1184669953/131313" p="7" s="C=1U" o="MNTPool08" vf=""> <kern_syslog_msg_3 msg="Client 146.254.168.188 (xid 102334387) in mount, does not have access rights to path /vol/vol0/delme_schaar" vfilerName=""/> </LR> but this is not really usefull vor debugging. Is there no logfile, about the transactions? here a little example: the sunlogfile show me: > Aug 22 19:20:46 rd2c03 nfs: [ID 277861 kern.notice] NFS write > error on host erpvfiler: error 145. now i look at the /etc/log/ems: there is no mathing entry to this timestamp +-5min and one look in /etc/messages: no entry from 19:00 to 20:00 can we say, if the filer had an error, there where entrys? can i say to the sunteam, it's not the filers fault? greetings Philipp > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Holland, William L [mailto:HollandWL@state.gov] > Gesendet: Freitag, 24. August 2007 13:03 > An: Zeitschel, Philipp > Betreff: RE: nfs logging / debugging > > Look at the syslog messages in FilerView. They will look > very similar in format to your sun messages. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com > [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Zeitschel, Philipp > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:46 AM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: AW: nfs logging / debugging > > Hi, > > i've got problems, with a sun machine, here are the log: > > Aug 22 19:20:46 rd2c03 nfs: [ID 277861 kern.notice] NFS write > error on host erpvfiler: error 145. > Aug 22 19:20:46 rd2c03 nfs: [ID 702911 kern.notice] (file > handle: 22018100 bcf22707 20080000 17bf48b 62c93907 7a7133b9 > 40000000 70a27100) Aug 22 19:20:46 rd2c03 nfs: [ID 664466 > kern.notice] NFS write failed for server erpvfiler: error 5 > (RPC: Timed out) Aug 22 19:20:46 rd2c03 last message repeated > 2 times Aug 22 19:20:46 rd2c03 nfs: [ID 277861 kern.notice] > NFS write error on host erpvfiler: error 145. > Aug 22 19:20:46 rd2c03 last message repeated 2 times Aug 22 > 19:20:46 rd2c03 nfs: [ID 702911 kern.notice] (file handle: > 22018100 bcf22707 20080000 17bf48b 62c93907 7a7133b9 40000000 > 70a27100) Aug 22 19:20:46 rd2c03 last message repeated 2 > times Aug 22 19:20:46 rd2c03 nfs: [ID 664466 kern.notice] NFS > write failed for server erpvfiler: error 5 (RPC: Timed out) > Aug 22 19:20:46 rd2c03 last message repeated 1 time Aug 22 > 19:20:46 rd2c03 nfs: [ID 277861 kern.notice] NFS write error > on host erpvfiler: error 145. > Aug 22 19:20:46 rd2c03 nfs: [ID 664466 kern.notice] NFS write > failed for server erpvfiler: error 5 (RPC: Timed out) Aug 22 > 19:20:46 rd2c03 nfs: [ID 277861 kern.notice] NFS write error > on host erpvfiler: error 145. > Aug 22 19:20:46 rd2c03 nfs: [ID 702911 kern.notice] (file > handle: fc8f7200 c7e2b006 20080000 1e0617a 8573af12 7a7133b9 > 40000000 70a27100) > > and so on.... > > > i wanna see, what the filer says on this times, is it a > network problem, or an nfs server problem. But where is the > advanced (if there is one) nfs logging? > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Blake Golliher [mailto:thelastman@gmail.com] > > Gesendet: Freitag, 24. August 2007 11:00 > > An: Zeitschel, Philipp > > Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > > Betreff: Re: nfs logging / debugging > > > > It might help to know what problem you are having. Usually > > /etc/messages has enough information to get started on with most > > problems. > > > > -Blake > > > > On 8/24/07, Zeitschel, Philipp > <philipp.zeitschel(a)siemens.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm new to this list, and my english is not very well... > > > > > > i've got some nfs problems, so i wan't to read some > log's. With the > > > option nfs.mountd.trace on the filer logs some stuff to > > /etc/log/ems, > > > is that right? > > > > > > the ems log, looks like some pseudo xml, is there a > special tool to > > > analyze the file? > > > > > > are there other possibilitys to debug nfs on the filer? > > > > > > NetApp Release 7.2.3 > > > > > > greeting > > > > > > Philipp > > > > > > >

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nfs logging / debugging
by Zeitschel, Philipp 24 Aug '07

24 Aug '07

Hi, I'm new to this list, and my english is not very well... i've got some nfs problems, so i wan't to read some log's. With the option nfs.mountd.trace on the filer logs some stuff to /etc/log/ems, is that right? the ems log, looks like some pseudo xml, is there a special tool to analyze the file? are there other possibilitys to debug nfs on the filer? NetApp Release 7.2.3 greeting Philipp

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Re: copying qtree
by Lohit 22 Aug '07

22 Aug '07

Meanwhile i read the documents and it looks like ndmpcopy is the best option as i have limited downtime (3hrs total). I will also try out VFM and robocopy on the simulator. I would like to thank each one of you for taking time to answer the queries. We have ordered few more Filers and i hope to improve my knowledge of the netapp systems by then. If I get stuck somewhere, I now know whom to ask... :) Thank you very much. On 8/22/07, Chris Dittert <cdittert(a)brocade.com> wrote: > > Lohit, > > > > Take a look at NetApp's Virtual File Manager – Migration Edition (VFM-ME), > it will address your needs. > > - Migrates data from source share/folder to destination > share/folder > > - Uses automated policies to set up migration tasks including > creation of shares on destination, performing baseline migration copy, > bandwidth throttling, establishing incremental copy schedule, hiding the > source share to perform final copy & selecting whether to retain ACL > information or not > > - Retains all file attributes including date/time stamps to > provide accuracy of current and/or future ILM data classification > > - Has ability to setup & manage MSFT DFS to make this migration > transparent to users (if you are using or want to implement DFS) by > automatically updating DFS links to new share/folder targets when data > migration is complete = zero downtime > > > > > http://www.netapp.com/products/enterprise-software/manageability-software/d… > > > > > > *Chris Dittert* > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Goodin, Jeff > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:26 AM > *To:* toasters(a)mathworks.com > *Subject:* RE: copying qtree > > > > Depending on the rate of change, file size and number of files in this > Qtree, robocopy may work well. We generally use it to move large amounts of > windows data between volumes/filers when we can't use snapmirror. It will > keep the ACL information for you if you give it the right flags. > > > The first copy will take a while, but you can do file level incremental > updates after that. > > > > You can download it from Microsoft. It is part of the Windows Server 2003 > resource kit. The kit includes a robocopy.doc word document that explains > all of the flags. > > > > At the time of the cut over, delete the share (after saving the share > settings), do a final robocopy and recreate the share pointing to the new > location. > > > > Jeff. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Holland, William L > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2007 6:18 AM > *To:* Lohit; Fox, Adam > *Cc:* toasters(a)mathworks.com > *Subject:* RE: copying qtree > > You can use ndmpcopy or vol copy to do this. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Lohit > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 21, 2007 11:41 PM > *To:* Fox, Adam > *Cc:* toasters(a)mathworks.com > *Subject:* Re: copying qtree > > Sorry for the late response, i live in a different timezone. We don't have > snapmirror license :( > > On 8/22/07, *Fox, Adam* < Adam.Fox(a)netapp.com> wrote: > > If you have a SnapMirror license, I would do a qtree snapmirror. Set up > an incremental schedule, say once an hour. > > Then when you're ready to cut the clients over, you'd only move an hour's > worth of changes over which should be > > quick. > > > > -- Adam Fox > adamfox(a)netapp.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Lohit [mailto:lohit.b@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 21, 2007 3:21 PM > *To:* toasters(a)mathworks.com > *Subject:* copying qtree > > Hello experts, > > I am very new to the netapp world. Sorry if this has been answered already > or if it sounds stupid.I have the following situation, > > What we have is a FAS940 with DS14MK2 shelves(3nos). > > There is a qtree "proj-CFD" which is 200GB in size and the containing > volume is 500GB. The volume is 90% full. I have been asked to increase the > space for the qtree to 400GB. Previous admin created the aggregate(Aggr1) > with a raidsize of 8 and there are two raidgroups with 8disks in each > raidgroup. > > I have three spares and adding these to the current aggregate would create > another raidgroup of 3 disks and i will be left with 1 usable disk (we have > raid_dp) and also i will have no spares left. > > But fortunately there is another aggregate(Aggr2) with a raidsize of 16 > and there are 14 disks in that aggregate now. Now my question is, how can > move the "proj-CFD" qtree to a volume in Aggr2 with minimum downtime and > keeping all the ACLs intact(It is ntfs only). > > Thanks > > -- > With warm regards > > Lohit > > > > > -- > With warm regards > > Lohit > > > -- With warm regards Lohit

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copying qtree
by Lohit 22 Aug '07

22 Aug '07

Hello experts, I am very new to the netapp world. Sorry if this has been answered already or if it sounds stupid.I have the following situation, What we have is a FAS940 with DS14MK2 shelves(3nos). There is a qtree "proj-CFD" which is 200GB in size and the containing volume is 500GB. The volume is 90% full. I have been asked to increase the space for the qtree to 400GB. Previous admin created the aggregate(Aggr1) with a raidsize of 8 and there are two raidgroups with 8disks in each raidgroup. I have three spares and adding these to the current aggregate would create another raidgroup of 3 disks and i will be left with 1 usable disk (we have raid_dp) and also i will have no spares left. But fortunately there is another aggregate(Aggr2) with a raidsize of 16 and there are 14 disks in that aggregate now. Now my question is, how can move the "proj-CFD" qtree to a volume in Aggr2 with minimum downtime and keeping all the ACLs intact(It is ntfs only). Thanks -- With warm regards Lohit

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FS3040 FC ports
by Ed Reidenbach 22 Aug '07

22 Aug '07

Can someone confirm that the FC ports on the motherboard of the FAS3040 are the same 2Gbit/s FC as those on the FAS3020? I know there is also 4Gbit/s but thought these were only available as a optional FC HBA in the FAS3040. Can you also confirm the type of FC ports on the FAS6070. Are they 2 or 4 Gbit/s FC? How do they compare to the motherboard FC interfaces on the FAS3040. Thanks Ed

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RE: FS3040 FC ports
by Ed Reidenbach 22 Aug '07

22 Aug '07

Thanks If I load a new version of Data ONTAP like the latest 7.2.x GA/ GD on the FAS3020/3050, will the same FC driver that is used on the new FAS3040 get loaded as a driver update for the motherboard-based FC ports on the FAS3020? ________________________________ From: Sullivan, Justin [mailto:Justin.Sullivan@netapp.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:01 AM To: Ed Reidenbach ; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: FS3040 FC ports The FAS3040, FAS3070, FAS6030 and FAS6070 onboard FC ports are 1/2/4Gbps capable, software assignable as initiator or target ports. Except for the number and how the hardware fits in place (on the motherboard itself or in an FC tray assembly), they are identical. The FAS3020 and FAS3050, being a bit older in the product family, are 1/2Gbps capable (also software assignable as initiators or targets). - Justin -----Original Message----- From: Ed Reidenbach [mailto:Ed.Reidenbach@datadomain.com] Sent: Wed 8/22/2007 12:22 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Cc: Ed Reidenbach Subject: FS3040 FC ports Can someone confirm that the FC ports on the motherboard of the FAS3040 are the same 2Gbit/s FC as those on the FAS3020? I know there is also 4Gbit/s but thought these were only available as a optional FC HBA in the FAS3040. Can you also confirm the type of FC ports on the FAS6070. Are they 2 or 4 Gbit/s FC? How do they compare to the motherboard FC interfaces on the FAS3040. Thanks Ed

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VMWare/Netapp TR-3428 question
by Glenn Dekhayser 22 Aug '07

22 Aug '07

Hi all, There's a VBS script in TR3428 that works with VCenter/VCB to do the hot snaps on quiesced VM machines/netapp volumes. I see that it calls the ssh command (as there is no rsh in VI3 I think). Question is, for the windows side, what's the best way to get an ssh client going? I don't think that plink works with this script, although I'm sure I could modify it to do so, but I'd rather use the ssh client that was meant to be used with the script. Is it openSSH? Glenn @ Voyant

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Fwd: copying qtree
by Filip Sneppe 21 Aug '07

21 Aug '07

I guess my reply to Lohit should go to the mailing list too for archiving purposes ... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Filip Sneppe <filip.sneppe(a)gmail.com> Date: Aug 21, 2007 10:42 PM Subject: Re: copying qtree To: Lohit <lohit.b(a)gmail.com> Hi, On 8/21/07, Lohit <lohit.b(a)gmail.com> wrote: > There is a qtree "proj-CFD" which is 200GB in size and the containing volume > is 500GB. The volume is 90% full. I have been asked to increase the space > for the qtree to 400GB. Previous admin created the aggregate(Aggr1) with a > raidsize of 8 and there are two raidgroups with 8disks in each raidgroup. > > I have three spares and adding these to the current aggregate would create > another raidgroup of 3 disks and i will be left with 1 usable disk (we have > raid_dp) and also i will have no spares left. The other responses you've got so far pointed out that QSM would be the best choice to move the data to a volume on another aggregate. But I'd like to point out that it actually is possible to add some of those spare disks to your existing aggregate aggr1 with raidsize 8 & raid_dp. First you need to bump your raidsize for that aggregate using the "aggr options" command. Next, when adding disks to your aggregate, use the "-g" option to the "aggr add" command to specify the raid group you want to add the disks to. You will need to use the "-f" flag to force this, too (and you shouldn't be doing this if you ever want to go back to ONTAP 6.2). Here's what it looks like on a simulator (I started with a raid group size of 4 for demonstration purposes only): filer*> sysconfig -r Aggregate aggrtest (online, raid_dp) (block checksums) Plex /aggrtest/plex0 (online, normal, active) RAID group /aggrtest/plex0/rg0 (normal) RAID Disk Device HA SHELF BAY CHAN Pool Type RPM Used (MB/blks) Phys (MB/blks) --------- ------ ------------- ---- ---- ---- ----- -------------- -------------- dparity v4.32 v4 2 0 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 parity v4.18 v4 1 2 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 data v4.33 v4 2 1 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 data v4.19 v4 1 3 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 RAID group /aggrtest/plex0/rg1 (normal) RAID Disk Device HA SHELF BAY CHAN Pool Type RPM Used (MB/blks) Phys (MB/blks) --------- ------ ------------- ---- ---- ---- ----- -------------- -------------- dparity v4.20 v4 1 4 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 parity v4.34 v4 2 2 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 data v4.21 v4 1 5 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 data v4.35 v4 2 3 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 Aggregate aggr0 (online, raid0) (block checksums) ... filer*> aggr options aggrtest nosnap=off, raidtype=raid_dp, raidsize=4, ignore_inconsistent=off, snapmirrored=off, resyncsnaptime=60, fs_size_fixed=off, snapshot_autodelete=on, lost_write_protect=on filer*> aggr options aggrtest raidsize 16 filer*> aggr add aggrtest -f -g rg0 1 Addition of 1 disk to the aggregate has been initiated. The disk needs to be zeroed before addition to the aggregate. The process has been initiated and you will be notified via the system log as disks are added. filer*> aggr add aggrtest -f -g rg1 1 aggr add: Unable to perform operation, a disk add operation is in progress. filer*> Tue Aug 21 22:39:59 CEST [raid.disk.zero.done:notice]: Disk /v4.36 Shelf 2 Bay 4 [NETAPP VD-16MB-FZ-520 0042] S/N [35665418] : disk zeroing complete Tue Aug 21 22:40:00 CEST [raid.vol.disk.add.done:notice]: Addition of Disk /aggrtest/plex0/rg0/v4.36 Shelf 2 Bay 4 [NETAPP VD-16MB-FZ-520 0042] S/N [35665418] to aggregate aggrtest has completed successfully filer*> aggr add aggrtest -f -g rg1 1 Addition of 1 disk to the aggregate has been initiated. The disk needs to be zeroed before addition to the aggregate. The process has been initiated and you will be notified via the system log as disks are added. filer*> sysconfig -r Aggregate aggrtest (online, raid_dp, growing) (block checksums) Plex /aggrtest/plex0 (online, normal, active) RAID group /aggrtest/plex0/rg0 (normal) RAID Disk Device HA SHELF BAY CHAN Pool Type RPM Used (MB/blks) Phys (MB/blks) --------- ------ ------------- ---- ---- ---- ----- -------------- -------------- dparity v4.32 v4 2 0 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 parity v4.18 v4 1 2 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 data v4.33 v4 2 1 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 data v4.19 v4 1 3 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 data v4.36 v4 2 4 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 RAID group /aggrtest/plex0/rg1 (normal) RAID Disk Device HA SHELF BAY CHAN Pool Type RPM Used (MB/blks) Phys (MB/blks) --------- ------ ------------- ---- ---- ---- ----- -------------- -------------- dparity v4.20 v4 1 4 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 parity v4.34 v4 2 2 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 data v4.21 v4 1 5 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 data v4.35 v4 2 3 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 Targeted to traditional volume or aggregate but not yet assigned to a raid group RAID Disk Device HA SHELF BAY CHAN Pool Type RPM Used (MB/blks) Phys (MB/blks) --------- ------ ------------- ---- ---- ---- ----- -------------- -------------- pending v4.37 v4 2 5 FC:B - FCAL N/A 36/74752 42/87168 (zeroing, 19% done) Aggregate aggr0 (online, raid0) (block checksums) ... Now isn't that cool ? :-) Best regards, Filip

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