toasters November 2004

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Vscan
by SKIP HOFMANN 03 Nov '04

03 Nov '04

Hi all Quick question how do I add an extension to vscan to not be scanned? If im understanding this correctly the filer has a list be default of extensions that it will scan, and if I remove a extension from the list then the file won't be scanned? Is this correct or do I also have to manually tell the filer not to scan an extension. Also we are using Trends filer protect for our FAS 250, can anyone tell me if intelliscan works on the filer the same way it would work on a windows server. As I understand intelliscan feature if the file is not on the Trend database of known viruses then the file doesn't get scanned . Thanks for any help Skip Hofmann Senior Network Administrator TetraTech Skip.Hofmann(a)ttisg.com <mailto:Skip.Hofmann@ttisg.com> 949 500 5286 cell 949 608 5801 office

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OFF: NEBS compliant NAS
by Edward Hibbert (eh＠dataconnection.com) 03 Nov '04

03 Nov '04

This probably isn't directly NetApp related - though I'd love it if it were. Does anyone know of a rack-mountable NAS which is NEBS compliant and no more than 19" wide and 20" deep? Regards, Edward.

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RE: Backup speeds across the network
by McCarthy, Tim 03 Nov '04

03 Nov '04

I saw a STK-9940B dump at 50+MB/sec via local FC and also 50+MB/sec via 3-way over gigE (standard frames). --tmac ====================== Tim McCarthy Professional Services/Systems Engineer NetApp Federal Systems, Inc. 410-551-3970 (o) 443-363-0208 (f) tmac(a)netapp.com tmac-pager(a)netapp.com ====================== -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Hardin [mailto:geoff.hardin@dalsemi.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 6:24 PM To: toasters Subject: Backup speeds across the network We have several filers and few tape drives so we are looking at doing 3-way NDMP backups. Right now, we are doing those backups to other filers, but this is consuming a lot of resources, especially on the tape host filer. So, we are looking at a new tape library from SpectraLogic, Overland, Quantum, StorageTek, etc. that has the NDMP "built-in" to the tape drive. Our question is, what kind of speeds are others seeing in their real environments? Speaking to one vendor, they claimed their library would work at the rated tape speeds (35 MB/s), while another claimed even better performance (40 MB/s); to his credit, the second vendor said that he wasn't the technical guy, but he thought that's what he remembered. Call me overly cynical, but I find it hard to believe that we will see speeds comparable to direct attached tape over the network. Our experience in the past has been somewhere closer to 50% of the rated tape speed, and even that may be a bit overreaching for some of our older filers (F760C). Thanks, Geoff Hardin geoff.hardin(a)dalsemi.com UNIX System Administrator Maxim / Dallas Semiconductor

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RE: Backup speeds across the network
by Debbie.Lane＠intermec.com 03 Nov '04

03 Nov '04

Wouldn't the speed of the backup only be as fast as the slowest part of the backup environment? If you are using gige, you might want to check out jumbo frames and full flow control. Debbie -----Original Message----- From: Jerry [mailto:juanino@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 3:59 PM To: Geoff Hardin; toasters Subject: Re: Backup speeds across the network It depends on your # and type of files. In some cases I get 13 MB/sec, but where I have lots of small files I get as little as 1.5 MB/sec. I am not bound by network at that time either. (This is on super dlt-3 drives, ~22 MB/sec theoretical i believe). Jerry --- Geoff Hardin <geoff.hardin(a)dalsemi.com> wrote: > We have several filers and few tape drives so we are > looking at doing > 3-way NDMP backups. Right now, we are doing those > backups to other > filers, but this is consuming a lot of resources, > especially on the tape > host filer. So, we are looking at a new tape > library from SpectraLogic, > Overland, Quantum, StorageTek, etc. that has the > NDMP "built-in" to the > tape drive. > > Our question is, what kind of speeds are others > seeing in their real > environments? Speaking to one vendor, they claimed > their library would > work at the rated tape speeds (35 MB/s), while > another claimed even > better performance (40 MB/s); to his credit, the > second vendor said that > he wasn't the technical guy, but he thought that's > what he remembered. > Call me overly cynical, but I find it hard to > believe that we will see > speeds comparable to direct attached tape over the > network. Our > experience in the past has been somewhere closer to > 50% of the rated > tape speed, and even that may be a bit overreaching > for some of our > older filers (F760C). > > Thanks, > > Geoff Hardin > geoff.hardin(a)dalsemi.com > UNIX System Administrator > Maxim / Dallas Semiconductor > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com "This message is intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited."

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RE: User administration (was ssh scripts)
by Michael Christian 03 Nov '04

03 Nov '04

Yeah, I was looking into using expect, but turns out there is an easier way... The manpage for useradmin gives the following usage: useradmin useradd [ -c comments] login_name And when telneted or consoled into the filer, you get the same usage for useradmin: myfiler> useradmin usage: useradmin useradd [-c "comments"] login_name useradmin userdel login_name useradmin userlist [username list] *However*, if you do the same thing on a non-interactive ssh or rsh, the usage suddenly changes to something much more useable: > ssh myfiler useradmin usage: useradmin useradd [-c "comments"] login_name passwd useradmin userdel login_name useradmin userlist [username list] See, now that's much easier to script. -MikeC (Too lazy to use expect) -----Original Message----- From: Dirk Schmiedt [mailto:Dirk.Schmiedt@munich.netsurf.de] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:55 PM To: Michael Christian Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: User administration (was ssh scripts) Michael Christian wrote: > Next question. I want to automate user administration. The whole > 'useradmin useradd' thing with its interactive interface and live > password addition (who the heck only lets root set a user's pasword?) > is probably not going to work with our 500+ filers. > 500xNumberOfAdmins. Yeah, right. > > The docs point to fairly standard /etc/[passwd,shadow,group] files, > but having added a user, I still don't see them on my box. Has anyone > automated user management? > Hello Michael How about using expect? Excerpt from http://expect.nist.gov/ : "Expect is a tool for automating interactive applications such as telnet, ftp, passwd, fsck, rlogin, tip, etc. Expect really makes this stuff trivial. Expect is also useful for testing these same applications. And by adding Tk, you can also wrap interactive applications in X11 GUIs." With the help of "expect" I wrote my own autoinstaller for filers named "NAAI" (NetApp AutoInstaller) who sets up our training machines every week. It's job is to wipe out all(!) tracks of the last week admin class. Connect to the Filers, "set-defaults" the BIOS, boot over TFTP, wipe out all data on the disks, step through the "setup" dialog, install licenses and ONTAP, set date and timezone, vol lang and options, and ... much more. ;-) => I really can recommend expect for automatisation of filer useradmin/password activities. Best regards! Dirk

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RE: Backup speeds across the network
by John Clear 03 Nov '04

03 Nov '04

We currently have a Quantum/ATL library with built in NDMP tape drives (SDLT220) and are moving to a StorageTek library with Dinostor (http://www.dinostor.com) NDMP bridges and LTO1 drives. We use a separate gigabit network for backups, and see 20MB/s to the SDLT drives. A FAS960 can push 5-6 streams at 20MB/s. Even with a single stream, I haven't seen much above 20MB/s, so the drive seems to be the limiting factor in this case. Our old F760 used to be able to do 3 streams at 20MB/s, but would drop to 12-15MB/s if pushed to 4 streams. Dropping in a Dinostor in place of your tape host filer would take the load off that filer. What rates are you seeing? John -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Hardin [mailto:geoff.hardin@dalsemi.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 3:24 PM To: toasters Subject: Backup speeds across the network We have several filers and few tape drives so we are looking at doing 3-way NDMP backups. Right now, we are doing those backups to other filers, but this is consuming a lot of resources, especially on the tape host filer. So, we are looking at a new tape library from SpectraLogic, Overland, Quantum, StorageTek, etc. that has the NDMP "built-in" to the tape drive. Our question is, what kind of speeds are others seeing in their real environments? Speaking to one vendor, they claimed their library would work at the rated tape speeds (35 MB/s), while another claimed even better performance (40 MB/s); to his credit, the second vendor said that he wasn't the technical guy, but he thought that's what he remembered. Call me overly cynical, but I find it hard to believe that we will see speeds comparable to direct attached tape over the network. Our experience in the past has been somewhere closer to 50% of the rated tape speed, and even that may be a bit overreaching for some of our older filers (F760C). Thanks, Geoff Hardin geoff.hardin(a)dalsemi.com UNIX System Administrator Maxim / Dallas Semiconductor

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Backup speeds across the network
by Geoff Hardin 02 Nov '04

02 Nov '04

We have several filers and few tape drives so we are looking at doing 3-way NDMP backups. Right now, we are doing those backups to other filers, but this is consuming a lot of resources, especially on the tape host filer. So, we are looking at a new tape library from SpectraLogic, Overland, Quantum, StorageTek, etc. that has the NDMP "built-in" to the tape drive. Our question is, what kind of speeds are others seeing in their real environments? Speaking to one vendor, they claimed their library would work at the rated tape speeds (35 MB/s), while another claimed even better performance (40 MB/s); to his credit, the second vendor said that he wasn't the technical guy, but he thought that's what he remembered. Call me overly cynical, but I find it hard to believe that we will see speeds comparable to direct attached tape over the network. Our experience in the past has been somewhere closer to 50% of the rated tape speed, and even that may be a bit overreaching for some of our older filers (F760C). Thanks, Geoff Hardin geoff.hardin(a)dalsemi.com UNIX System Administrator Maxim / Dallas Semiconductor

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ssh scripts
by Robert Borowicz 02 Nov '04

02 Nov '04

I want to work with our DBA's to put our Oracle instances in Hot Standby to grab snapshots. Anybody got a script they use that utilizes SSH to run the snap command on a filer? Thanks -Rob

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User administration (was ssh scripts)
by Michael Christian 02 Nov '04

02 Nov '04

Next question. I want to automate user administration. The whole 'useradmin useradd' thing with its interactive interface and live password addition (who the heck only lets root set a user's pasword?) is probably not going to work with our 500+ filers. 500xNumberOfAdmins. Yeah, right. The docs point to fairly standard /etc/[passwd,shadow,group] files, but having added a user, I still don't see them on my box. Has anyone automated user management? -MikeC _____ From: Michael Christian Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 9:08 PM To: 'Potakamuri, Sreenivasa'; Thorsten.Lemke(a)computacenter.com; bparent(a)calvin.ucsd.edu Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: ssh scripts Nice, that did it. Thanks. User-level auditing will be a godsend. -MikeC _____ From: Potakamuri, Sreenivasa [mailto:Sreenivasa.Potakamuri@netapp.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:53 PM To: Michael Christian; Thorsten.Lemke(a)computacenter.com; bparent(a)calvin.ucsd.edu Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: ssh scripts This problem has been fixed in 6.4.5, 6.5.1 and above. Bug number for this problem is 90495. Regards, Sreeni Network Appliance -----Original Message----- From: Michael Christian [mailto:mchristi@yahoo-inc.com] Sent: Thu 10/28/2004 11:07 AM To: Thorsten.Lemke(a)computacenter.com; bparent(a)calvin.ucsd.edu Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: ssh scripts On a similar note, I've been trying to get user-level auditing working using ssh. When you telnet in, it logs actions under your userid, but when you ssh in, it logs everything as root. (Presumably because sshd is running as root?) Has anyone else had this problem, or know of a workaround? This is 6.5X18 -Mike ***************************************

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02 Nov '04

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