toasters May 2001

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Large volume performance
by Tom McDonald 05 May '01

05 May '01

Hello, We have a need to create a very large volume (800+ GB) on one of our F760 Filers for NFS only use. I plan on creating a volume with 5 RAID groups, each with 14 18-GB disks, that will span across two fibre channel adapters. RAID groups will not span across adaptors. I am wondering what kind of performance should expect as a result of having such a large volume across two adapters. Any thoughts? Thanks, Tom

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Networker Unsuccessful Save Sets
by Nicholas Chua 04 May '01

04 May '01

I have been getting the following error lately on Networker, any clues on where to start looking for the cause? ############################################################################ #### NetWorker Savegroup: (alert) NetApp completed, 1 client(s) (netapp1 Failed) Start time: Wed May 2 21:00:00 2001 End time: Wed May 2 21:04:15 2001 --- Unsuccessful Save Sets --- * netapp1:/vol/vol0/etc 1 retry attempted * netapp1:/vol/vol0/etc save not found. Type '?' for a list of commands * netapp1:/vol/vol0/pdmdb 1 retry attempted * netapp1:/vol/vol0/pdmdb save not found. Type '?' for a list of commands * netapp1:/vol/vol0/audio_pdm 1 retry attempted * netapp1:/vol/vol0/audio_pdm save not found. Type '?' for a list of commands --- Successful Save Sets --- server1: /nsr/index/netapp1 level=9, 185 KB 00:04:06 5 files ############################################################################ #### The following error shows up on the Failed Saved Sets under Group Control Details netapp1 /vol/vol0 unexpectedly exited:incr:save netapp1:/vol/vol0/etc level=incr, pool=Default, save as of Tue May 1 23:53:59 GMT+0800 2001 Thanks in advanced for your help. Regards, Nic

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RE: HSM with filers?
by Cormier, Darleen 04 May '01

04 May '01

What you are saying is true, Joe. A customer does not buy Veritas' Storage Migrator and then buy Enigma Data. Enigma Data has Veritas Storage Migrator already integrated into their "stuff". Veritas' package, by itself, is not compatible with filers. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Luchtenberg [mailto:joe.luchtenberg@data-line.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:59 AM To: 'Cormier, Darleen'; 'Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: HSM with filers? Darleen, Would you please elaborate? A cursory look at Enigma Data's website reveals that the HSM part of their solution is Veritas Storage Migrator, which is not interoperable with NetApp filers (unless I am completely misinformed). Am I missing something here, or are the customers to which you refer concurrently using NetApp and Enigma/Veritas storage solutions but not integrating them? Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757.858.0600 757.285.1223 (cell) 757.858.0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com -----Original Message----- From: Cormier, Darleen [mailto:Darleen.Cormier@netapp.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:57 AM To: 'Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: HSM with filers? Hi Tom, Just to let you know, we do have some NetApp customers both using and evaluating a package called Enigma Data. www.enigmadata.com You might want to talk to them and see if their package will meet your needs. -----Original Message----- From: Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau [mailto:MadDog@fool.com] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:48 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: HSM with filers? I just took the NetApp backup survey that they sent out and one of the questions was about using hierarchical storage management with filers. Does anyone know of any HSM products out there that currently work with filers? Thanks, Tom

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Re: JNDMP Copy
by Mike Smith 04 May '01

04 May '01

In addition to the suggestion to make sure ndmpd is on on the filer ("ndmpd on" will do it) try the transfer using paths that look like this: jndmpcopy gvl-netapp1:/vol/vol1/~snapshot/SnapSQL/gvl-triv-sql01/DATA/LOG gvl-netapp1:/vol/vol1/gvl-triv-sql01/TEST Note: All I did was remove the "c:" from the path. Mike Smith Escalations Jerk. -------------------------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan, Joshua [mailto:JMorgan@Trivergent.com] > Sent: Fri, May 04, 2001 15:59 > To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: JNDMP Copy > > > > Has any one used this and if so can you give me a sample path to copy we keep getting an error (see below) > > jndmpcopy gvl-netapp1:/c:/vol/vol1/~snapshot/SnapSQL/gvl-triv-sql01/DAT > A/LOG gvl-netapp1:/c:/vol/vol1/gvl-triv-sql01/TEST > May 04 09:16:57 [ndmpd:0]: Error opening socket to gvl-netapp1 at port 10000 java.lang.ThreadDeath > at java/lang/Thread.stop0 > at java/lang/Thread.stop > at java/lang/Thread.stop > at jndmpcopy/JNdmpcopy.abort > at jndmpcopy/JNdmpcopy.main > > ERROR: java.lang.ThreadDeath > > > > > > > > Thanks > Joshua > > > > > Joshua Morgan > NuVox Communications > OSS/Network Engineer > PH: (864) 331-7939 > Fax: (864) 271-7810 > jmorgan(a)trivergent.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > =================== > > "Life is overwhelming > Heavy is the head that wears the crown > I'd love to be the one to disappoint you when I don't fall down "-------Fred Durst-------

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RE: HSM with filers?
by Joe Luchtenberg 04 May '01

04 May '01

Darleen, Would you please elaborate? A cursory look at Enigma Data's website reveals that the HSM part of their solution is Veritas Storage Migrator, which is not interoperable with NetApp filers (unless I am completely misinformed). Am I missing something here, or are the customers to which you refer concurrently using NetApp and Enigma/Veritas storage solutions but not integrating them? Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757.858.0600 757.285.1223 (cell) 757.858.0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com -----Original Message----- From: Cormier, Darleen [mailto:Darleen.Cormier@netapp.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:57 AM To: 'Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: HSM with filers? Hi Tom, Just to let you know, we do have some NetApp customers both using and evaluating a package called Enigma Data. www.enigmadata.com You might want to talk to them and see if their package will meet your needs. -----Original Message----- From: Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau [mailto:MadDog@fool.com] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:48 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: HSM with filers? I just took the NetApp backup survey that they sent out and one of the questions was about using hierarchical storage management with filers. Does anyone know of any HSM products out there that currently work with filers? Thanks, Tom

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RE: Help With Dump of a Filer 760
by Cormier, Darleen 04 May '01

04 May '01

Hi Irene, Please let me try and answer your question about sequential mode. The NetApp dump and restore utility has no way to control the robotics in a library. We do not have commands which tell the robot arm go to slot 3 and move the tape to drive 2, etc. Normally those types of commands are handled by the backup software packages. When a library is setup to respond to those types of commands, it is called "Random Access Mode". Most libraries by default are set that way. However, many, not all, libraries can also be set in "sequential or stacker mode". This means that the library simply moves from slot one to the next sequential slot. It can't "jump around", it just goes from the top to the bottom. Our dump utility will start at tape one, fill it up, eject the tape, insert next tape, fill it up, etc. When the library is set in sequential mode, we can control those basic functions. That is why it was suggested you set your library in that mode, however, I suggest you check with STK t! o see if your library has that option. Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: Reed, Irene [mailto:IReed@tea.state.tx.us] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:19 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Help With Dump of a Filer 760 We currently own a Filer 760 running ONTAP 6.0.1.R3. Currently we are backing up Unix files via nfs mounts. Soon we plan to put a lot of NT data on the filer that needs to be backed up. Our agency backup software is Legato 6.01 running on AIX 4.3.3. This version of Legato is non NDMP aware so we cannot use it to backup the filer. I am considering buying a StorageTek L20 (10 slots with 1 DLT7000 drive) and attaching it directly to the filer via the onboard scsi adapter. I would like to use dump and restore to carry out the backups so that I do not have to buy another backup software solution. Netapp says this will work if I can put the L20 in sequential mode. Does anyone know what this means? Is anyone backing up a filer in this manner? If yes I would love to hear from you. Also any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Irene Reed Texas Education Agency

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RE: HSM with filers?
by Cormier, Darleen 04 May '01

04 May '01

Hi Neil, That is true in the "standard" HSM world. Normally HSM requires several protocols which we do not support, however Enigma Data is doing something a little different. They have a software layer which is bundled together with Vertias' HSM module, and also an Oracle Database portion to keep track of everything. With this combination they are able to move off groups of files which they call projects to tape, optical or other disks and also bring them back if requested. They have some product descriptions on their web site which can give you more detail. It doesn't have all the HSM features, but that's why I suggested to Tom that he check them out to see if the had the features he needed. We have several large oil and gas customers using the package sucessfully and a couple of other customers doing evaluations. -----Original Message----- From: neil lehrer [mailto:nlehrer@ibb.gov] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:19 AM To: Cormier, Darleen Cc: "'Tom \"Mad Dog\" Yergeau'"; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: HSM with filers? i thought netapp would have to include an hsm api in ontap before this would work? "Cormier, Darleen" wrote: > > Hi Tom, Just to let you know, we do have some NetApp customers both using and evaluating a package called Enigma Data. www.enigmadata.com You might want to talk to them and see if their package will meet your needs. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau [mailto:MadDog@fool.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:48 PM > To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: HSM with filers? > > I just took the NetApp backup survey that they sent out and one of the > questions was about using hierarchical storage management with filers. > > Does anyone know of any HSM products out there that currently work with > filers? > > Thanks, > Tom

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RE: HSM with filers?
by Cormier, Darleen 04 May '01

04 May '01

Hi Tom, Just to let you know, we do have some NetApp customers both using and evaluating a package called Enigma Data. www.enigmadata.com You might want to talk to them and see if their package will meet your needs. -----Original Message----- From: Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau [mailto:MadDog@fool.com] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:48 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: HSM with filers? I just took the NetApp backup survey that they sent out and one of the questions was about using hierarchical storage management with filers. Does anyone know of any HSM products out there that currently work with filers? Thanks, Tom

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RE: JNDMP Copy
by Traitel, Eyal 04 May '01

04 May '01

Is ndmpd on on this filer ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eTraitel - I'm the new eBuzzword around !!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Eyal Traitel - Filer Escalation Engineer CNA, MCSE, CSA, LCA, NetApp CA Network Appliance BV Holland Office Center Kruisweg 799b 2132 NG, Hoofddorp The Netherlands Office: +31 23 567 9685 Cellular: +31 6 5497 2568 Email: eyal(a)netapp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com <http://now.netapp.com/> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Morgan, Joshua [mailto:JMorgan@Trivergent.com] Sent: Fri, May 04, 2001 15:59 To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: JNDMP Copy Has any one used this and if so can you give me a sample path to copy we keep getting an error (see below) jndmpcopy gvl-netapp1:/c:/vol/vol1/~snapshot/SnapSQL/gvl-triv-sql01/DAT A/LOG gvl-netapp1:/c:/vol/vol1/gvl-triv-sql01/TEST May 04 09:16:57 [ndmpd:0]: Error opening socket to gvl-netapp1 at port 10000 java.lang.ThreadDeath at java/lang/Thread.stop0 at java/lang/Thread.stop at java/lang/Thread.stop at jndmpcopy/JNdmpcopy.abort at jndmpcopy/JNdmpcopy.main ERROR: java.lang.ThreadDeath Thanks Joshua Joshua Morgan NuVox Communications OSS/Network Engineer PH: (864) 331-7939 Fax: (864) 271-7810 jmorgan(a)trivergent.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =================== "Life is overwhelming Heavy is the head that wears the crown I'd love to be the one to disappoint you when I don't fall down "-------Fred Durst-------

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JNDMP Copy
by Morgan, Joshua 04 May '01

04 May '01

Has any one used this and if so can you give me a sample path to copy we keep getting an error (see below) jndmpcopy gvl-netapp1:/c:/vol/vol1/~snapshot/SnapSQL/gvl-triv-sql01/DAT A/LOG gvl-netapp1:/c:/vol/vol1/gvl-triv-sql01/TEST May 04 09:16:57 [ndmpd:0]: Error opening socket to gvl-netapp1 at port 10000 java.lang.ThreadDeath at java/lang/Thread.stop0 at java/lang/Thread.stop at java/lang/Thread.stop at jndmpcopy/JNdmpcopy.abort at jndmpcopy/JNdmpcopy.main ERROR: java.lang.ThreadDeath Thanks Joshua Joshua Morgan NuVox Communications OSS/Network Engineer PH: (864) 331-7939 Fax: (864) 271-7810 jmorgan(a)trivergent.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =================== "Life is overwhelming Heavy is the head that wears the crown I'd love to be the one to disappoint you when I don't fall down "-------Fred Durst-------

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