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Kinh moi tham du: Hoi cho thuong mai va hop tac kinh te Trung - Viet (27-30/3) tai China
by xttm＠china-vn.com 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

Moi chi tiet xin truy cap: http://www.china-vn.net/vn/vn Kinh moi tham du >>>> Hoi cho(Quang Tay) thuong mai va hop tac kinh te Trung Quoc-Viet Nam lan thu II Thoi gian to chuc : 27/03-30/03/2003 Dia diem: Dai Le Duong Nhan Dan tinh Quang Tay-Trung Quoc Du kien quy mo trien lam: 250 gian hang Don vi to chuc: Phan ban Quang Tay-Uy ban xuc tien thuong mai quoc te Trung Quoc Uy ban nhan dan tinh Quang Tay-Trung Quoc Cong ty co phan thuong mai & xuat nhap khau Quang Tay Cong ty trien lam kinh te thuong mai Hoan Cau Dong to chuc: Phong thuong mai va cong nghiep Viet Nam (VCCI) Cong ty thuong mai & du lich quoc te Kim Lan-Trung Quoc Mang thong tin Trung-Viet: http://www.china-vn.net Uy ban xuc tien thuong mai quoc te Trung Quoc. Giay Moi Hoi cho(Quang Tay) thuong mai va hop tac kinh te Trung Quoc-Viet Nam lan thu II se to chuc vao ngay 27 - 30 thang 03 nam 2003 tai Dai Hoi Duong Nhan Dan tinh Quang Tay thanh pho Nam Ninh.Tinh Quang Tay TQ la mot hanh lang chinh cho cac doanh nghiep cac tinh noi dia Trung Quoc nhat la cac tinh ven bien Dong Nam Bo va cac tinh mien Bac TQ di vao thi truong cac nuoc ASEAN qua Viet Nam, tinh Quang Tay TQ cung da tro thanh dau cau cua Trung Quoc tien vao thi truong Dong Nam A. Sau khi gia nhap WTO va di doi voi su khoi dong cua mo hinh khu mau dich tu do Trung Quoc - ASEAN(10+1),khien cho vi the uu viet cua Quang Tay cang noi bat len. Cuoc hoi cho lan nay se to chuc voi ton chi la de phat huy day du vi the va uu viet ve tai yen cua Quang Tay, that chat hon nua moi quan he mau dich va hop tac kinh te giua hai nuoc Trung - Viet. Chung toi se het suc phuc vu tot cho cac vi quy khach Trung Quoc va Viet Nam den du Hoi cho nay va chung toi se cung cap day du dich vu nhu Quang cao hang xuat khau Viet Nam, xuc tien hop tac Trung-Viet, tim doi tac TQ cho Doanh nghiep Viet Nam, lap quan he voi Co quan chinh phu TQ cho DN Viet Nam, giup dai ly san pham, gioi thieu du an dau tu, tu van chinh sach kinh te ….Kinh moi ban cung nhau xay dung mot bac thang cho su hop tac va giao luu thuong mai giua hai nuoc Trung Quoc va Viet Nam. Noi dung trien lam: Cong nghiep: Thiet bi in an va dong goi, nguyen lieu va san pham cao su, giay, chat deo…, xe may & phu tung, cong cu gia dung, do dien gia dung…, Cac san pham cong nghe cao…. Nong nghiep: Nong lam dac san, giong cay trong, thiet bi co gioi nong nghiep, che bien & dong goi thuc pham va nong san; thuc an gia suc, phan bon hoa hoc, thuoc tru sau, thuc pham… Y te: Thiet bi y te, duoc pham va hoa chat… Che bien thuy hai san: Cong nghe va thiet bi che bien thuy hai san… Tieu thu cong nghiep: Cac mat hang thu cong my nghe, qua tang, do choi, cac san pham tong hop khac… Gioi thieu cac du an dau tu, giao luu thuong mai va hop tac kinh te Trung-Viet Lich hoi cho: Ngay 25 - 26/03/2003: Dang ky va bo tri gian hang Ngay 27 - 30/03/2003: Trien lam, hoi thao, khao sat thuc te Ngay 30/03/2003: Ket thuc trien lam Hinh thuc tham gia: 1. Thue gian hang: Chi phi thue gian hang:600USD/mot gian Tieu chuan gian hang: 3m X 2m = 6m2 , bao gom: Dat thue, vach ngan, tham trai san, 01 o cam dien 13A-220V, 01 ban 02 ghe, bieu hieu cong ty bang tieng Viet hoac tieng Trung. Quang cao trong Show Catalogue: 200USD/trang mau trang trong. Phi van chuyen tu Ha Noi den cua khau Huu Nghi Quan:200USD/luot/xe tai 5 tan(chia binh quan cho tat ca cac doanh nghiep tham du co chuyen hang), phi boc hang se tinh rieng theo trung loai va so luong hang hoa. Cuoc phi van chuyen hang hoa tu Huu Nghi Quan - Nam Ninh:150USD/luot/xe tai 5 tan, phi boc hang se tinh rieng theo trung loai va so luong hang hoa. Chuong tirnh danh cho nguoi dai bieu tham gia trung bay tai Hoi cho: 24/03: Ha Noi 15:00, cac dai bieu tap trung va hop doan tai Phong thuong mai va cong nghiep Viet Nam (Dia chi:33 Ba Trieu Ha Noi), pho bien chuong trinh.(Chi phi an nghi, phuong tien di lai do dai bieu tu lo trong ngay nay); 25/03: Ha Noi - Nam Ninh 06h00 tap trung tai Phong Cong nghiep va thuong mai Viet Nam(VCCI) theo dia chi: 33-Ba Trieu-Ha Noi (Nga tu duong Ly Thuong Kiet va Ba Trieu), Ban to chuc don dai bieu xuat phat len Huu Nghi Quan lam thu tuc nhap canh Trung Quoc, len tau hoa di Nam Ninh, an nghi tai Nam Ninh. 26/03: Nam Ninh Ca ngay trang tri, dan dung gian hang. 27/03: Nam Ninh Khai mac Hoi cho, giao dich thuong mai giua doanh nghiep Trung Quoc -Viet Nam. Chieu tham du Hoi nghi giao luu thuong mai va hop tac kinh te Trung-Viet, toi du tiec chieu dai cua ban to chuc va Uy ban tinh Quang Tay. 28/03: Nam Ninh Trung bay hang hoa tai trien lam hoac du hoi thao theo cac chuyen de: "Trung Quoc-Viet Nam tiem nang va che bien nong san & thuc pham" "Thiet bi va cong nghe moi ve bao quan va che bien nong san & thuc pham", khao sat Vuon nong nghiep hien dai Quang Tay, Tham quan Khu cong nghe cao va moi thanh pho Nam Ninh. 29/03:Nam Ninh Trung bay hang hoa tai trien lam hoac du Hoi thao: "Hinh thuc thanh toan an toan trong thuong mai Trung - Viet", Khao sat va lam viec, tiep xuc tu do voi cac doi tac tiem nang Trung Quoc. 30/03:Nam Ninh - Ha Noi Sau khi an sang, di tau hoa ve Bang Tuong, chieu cac dai bieu xuat canh Trung Quoc ve Viet Nam, den Ha Noi, ket thuc chuong trinh.(Khang tu lo an toi va nghi khach san trong ngay nay). Chi phi: 265USD/Dai bieu Chi phi bao gom: Khach san 3 sao, an nghi, xe dua don theo chuong trinh, phi du trien lam va Hoi thao, phien dich chung ca doan. Chi phi khong gom: Ho chieu va Visa nhap canh TQ. Neu dai bieu di bang giay thong hanh phat sinh them 35USD/dai bieu. 2. Tham gia trien lam nhung khong thue gian hang Chuong trinh danh cho nguoi dai bieu tham gia trien lam nhung khong thue gian hang: 25/03: Ha Noi 15:00, cac dai bieu tap trung va hop doan tai Phong thuong mai va cong nghiep Viet Nam (Dia chi:33 Ba Trieu Ha Noi), pho bien chuong trinh.(Chi phi an nghi, phuong tien di lai do dai bieu tu lo trong ngay nay); 26/03: Ha Noi - Nam Ninh 06h00 tap trung tai Phong cong nghiep va thuong mai Viet Nam (VCCI) theo dia chi: 33-Ba Trieu-Ha Noi (Nga tu duong Ly Thuong Kiet va Ba Trieu), Ban to chuc don dai bieu xuat phat len Huu Nghi Quan lam thu tuc nhap canh Trung Quoc, len tau hoa di Nam Ninh, an nghi tai Nam Ninh. 27/03: Nam Ninh Khai mac Hoi cho, giao dich thuong mai giua doanh nghiep Trung Quoc -Viet Nam. Chieu khai mac Hoi nghi giao luu thuong mai va hop tac kinh te Trung-Viet, toi du tiec chieu dai cua ban to chuc va Uy ban tinh Quang Tay. 28/03: Nam Ninh Tham gia trien lam hoac du hoi thao theo cac chuyen de: "Trung Quoc-Viet Nam tiem nang va che bien nong san & thuc pham" "Thiet bi va cong nghe moi ve bao quan va che bien nong san & thuc pham", khao sat Vuon nong nghiep hien dai Quang Tay, Tham quan Khu cong nghe cao va moi thanh pho Nam Ninh. 29/03: Nam Ninh Tham gia trien lam hoac du Hoi thao: "Hinh thuc thanh toan an toan trong thuong mai Trung - Viet", Khao sat va lam viec, tiep xuc tu do voi cac doi tac tiem nang Trung Quoc. 30/03:Nam Ninh - Ha Noi Sau khi an sang, di tau hoa ve Bang Tuong, chieu cac dai bieu xuat canh Trung Quoc ve Viet Nam, den Ha Noi, ket thuc chuong trinh.(Khang tu lo an toi va nghi khach san trong ngay nay). Chi phi:250USD/Dai bieu Chi phi bao gom: Khach san 3 sao, an nghi, xe dua don theo chuong trinh, phi du trien lam va Hoi thao, phien dich chung ca doan. Chi phi khong gom: Ho chieu va Visa nhap canh TQ. Neu dai bieu di bang giay thong hanh phat sinh them 35USD/dai bieu. Ghi chu: Neu co dai bieu yeu cau di them khao sat tai Que Lam thi chuong trinh se phai them 2 ngay nua so voi cac chuong trinh tren, chi phi phat sinh them 100USD/Dai bieu. Thu tuc dang ky: 1. Doanh nghiep gui ban dang ky fax cung voi 50% tien dat coc bang tien mat hoac dien chuyen tien toi: Cong ty dich vu va thuong mai TSC -Phong thuong mai va cong nghiep Viet Nam Tai khoan tien VND:0021000001059 Tai khoan tien USD:00211370021623 Ngan hang ngoai thuong Ha Noi (VIETCOMBANK HANOI) 2. So tien con lai thanh toan 10 ngay truoc ngay khoi hanh. Quyen loi cua cac don vi tham gia trung bay tai trien lam: - Tham gia vao cac Hoi thao, hoi nghi to chuc trong thoi gian Hoi cho. - Gioi thieu trong cuon Catalogue chinh thuc cua Hoi cho bang tieng Trung, an pham nay se duoc phat mien phi cho khach tham quan Hoi cho va cac moi gioi khac. - Dam bao ve sinh chung trong khu hoi cho. - Ban ve an toan hang hoa trung bay ngoai gio mo cua cua hoi cho trien lam. - Dan dung va thao do gian hang trong truong hop thue gian hang tron goi. Cac dich vu nha to chuc ho tro cac don vi tham gia(co thu phi) - Van tai va tam nhap tai xuat hang trien lam. - In quang cao theo thiet ke rieng trong cuon Catalogue hoi cho. - To chuc cac hoi thao chuyen de, gioi thieu san pham va dich vu rieng. - Cung cap phien dich rieng theo yeu cau:20USD/buoi(4 tieng), 30USD/ngy(8 tieng), ngoai gio 10USD/tieng dong ho. - Thiet ke va dan dung cac gian hang dac biet, cho thue thiet ke gian gang. - Cung cap cac dich vu in an, cac san pham quang cao rieng. Ho tro cua Ban to chuc danh cho cac don vi: - Ban to chuc se ho tro 10% chi phi thue gian hang cho cac don vi cua Viet Nam, 15% phi thue gian hang cho doanh nghiep la hoi vien cua Cty Thang Loi - Hoi dong lien minh hop tac xa Viet Nam. Moi dang ky phai duoc thuc hien truoc ngay 17/02/2003. - Tat ca hang hoa trung bay trien lam se duoc mien thue hai quan Trung Quoc (ngoai ra mot so hang hoa dac biet) voi so luong khong han che nhung phai duoc su dong y cua Ban to chuc. - Doi voi cac doanh nghiep khong thue gian hang, Ban to chuc se bo tri mot phong trung bay chung mien phi Catalongue va mot so hang mau cua doanh nghiep trong thoi gian Hoi cho. - Tat ca cac doanh nghiep Viet nam tham gia Hoi cho deu duoc mien phi thong tin co ban cua doanh nghiep trong vong 1 nam tren trang tieng Trung cua Mang thong tin Trung-Viet: http://ww.china-vn.net de nham tao them co hoi tiep tan lau dai voi thi truong TQ. - Mien phi mot quyen Catalogue chinh thuc cua Hoi cho cho moi donh nghiep Viet Nam co tham gia Hoi cho. - Gioi thieu mien phi doi tac tiem nang tai Trung Quoc khi doanh nghiep Viet Nam co yeu cau va dang ky truoc 15 ngay tro len. Nhung thong tin can biet khi tham gia Hoi cho: - Tat ca hang hoa trung bay trien lam deu phai chuyen toi Ha Noi truoc ngay 10/03/2003 de Ban to chuc nhan hang tai Ha Noi va tap trung lam thu tuc hai quan Trung Quoc, qua han tren, Ban to chuc se khong chiu trach nhiem ve thu tuc hai quan. (Luu y: cac doanh nghiep tu chiu chi phi van chuyen len cua khau, va tu lam cac thu tuc hai quan Viet Nam).Cac don vi cung cap cho BTC danh muc hang hoa(Packing List) trung bay trine lam truoc 28/02/2003 gom co: Ten don vi tham gia trien lam, ten hang , so luong, noi xuat xung, don gia, kich co,trong luong, hinh thuc dong goi, so luong kien, so luong hang can tro ve VN sau hoi cho. - Doi voi cac dai bieu tham gia khao sat Hoi cho (khong thue gian hang), de nghi dang ky va nop ho so, danh sach day du theo yeu cau cua Ban to chuc truoc ngay 28/02/2003. - Cac dai bieu VN co the nhap canh Trung Quoc bang ho chieu + visa (khach tu lo).Trong truong hop hop khong kip xin cap ho chieu hoac Visa thi co the nhap canh TQ bang giay thong hanh do Ban to chuc tap trung xin thu tuc tai Viet Nam va Trung Quoc. Tuy nhien thu tuc nay chi co duoc phep thong hanh trong tinh Quang Tay TQ, ma khong duoc di vuot qua dia phan tinh Quang Tay-TQ voi thoi gian co gia tri trong 8 ngay. Neu co nhu cau can sang cac tinh khac cua TQ trong chuyen di bang giay thong hanh thi phai bao truoc cho Ban to chuc de giup do thu tuc. - Cac dai bieu xuat nhap canh bang giay thong hanh nop cho BTC 04 anh mau 3X4 va 02 chung minh thu Phto it nhat 10 ngay truoc khi xuat canh. - Cac doanh nghiep muon duoc gioi thieu mien phi khach hang tiem nang TQ hoac dang tai thong tin tren Mang thong tin Trung -Viet www.china-vn.net , de nghi gui truoc 10 ngay cac thong tin co noi dung gom: ten doanh nghiep, dia chi thong tin, Tel,Fax,E-mail,Website, so luoc doanh nghiep, thong tin san pham, can mua va can ban, muc dich chuyen di… cho Ban to chuc bang tieng Viet hoac Trung (Khong qua 1000 tu). Moi chi tiet xin lien he: Hoac lien he truc tiep voi chung toi: + Ban to chuc Hoi cho: Dia chi:18 ngo Nam Nhat Ly, duong Tinh Ho, T.P Nam Ninh Tel:0086-771-2615157 Fax:0086-771-2630917 E-mail: xttm(a)china-vn.com Website: www.china-vn.net Nguoi lien he: Mr. Hai , Mr. Luc + Dai dien Ban to chuc tai Viet Nam: Phong thuong mai va cong nghiep Viet Nam Trung tam giao dich quoc te TSC Dia chi:33 - Ba Trieu - Hoan Kiem- Ha Noi- Viet Nam Tel:04.9360134 Fax:04.9360103 E-mail: vcciglobexpo(a)hn.vnn.vn Nguoi lien he: Mr:Hung Mobi:0913367082 Cong ty thuong mai & du lich quoc te Kim Lan-Quang Tay- Trung Quoc Trung tam xuc tien thuong mai Trung - Viet Van phong dai dien tai Ha Noi DC: 204 Pho Duc Chinh-Ba Dinh-Ha Noi Tel: 04-9273335 Fax: 04-9273335 E-mail: kimlanhanoi(a)fpt.vn Nguoi lien he: Mr.Bach - Mobi: 0912118616 Moi chi tiet xin truy cap: http://www.china-vn.net/vn/vn

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pktt trace and Sniffer pro files
by Noll, Kevin 22 Apr '02

22 Apr '02

Hi All I am looking to convert a pktt file so as to look at it using snoop utility supplied with Solaris. I was also provided with the same file converted into a sniffer pro file, however, my sniffer box is not accessible at the moment. Any ideas welcome Thanks KEVIN ******************************************************************************************** " This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of the Cap Gemini Ernst & Young Group. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message ". ********************************************************************************************

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ndmpcopy failed - how to fix?
by Jeff Kennedy 31 Dec '01

31 Dec '01

I have been running level 'i' ndmpcopies for the last week and yesterday it failed because my remote connection from home to the admin host puked. Now when I run it I get: filer: LOG: RESTORE: filer: LOG: Mon Dec 31 12:57:03 2001: Begin incremental restore filer: LOG: RESTORE: filer: LOG: Cannot run an incremental backup because the previous restore did not complete. filer: LOG: RESTORE: filer: LOG: RESTORE IS ABORTED filer: Connection halted: HALT: Internal error! Elapsed time: 0 hours, 21 minutes, 44 seconds. I have checked dumpdates and it lists the last successful transfer on the 28th. Does anyone know how to fix this without starting over? This may be a stupid question but I don't recall much of my ufsrestore lore. Thanks. ~JK

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RE: HSM and the filers ...
by Mike Ball 31 Dec '01

31 Dec '01

The LSC software (www.lsci.com) you are speaking of is actually called SAM-FS. Sun purchased LSC a few months ago. It is a great product, unfortunately it must run on a Solaris UFS file system. It can not run on the Netapp at this time. Mike Ball mball(a)datalink.com -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Hardin [mailto:geoff.hardin@dalsemi.com] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 4:37 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: HSM and the filers ... We've had a couple meetings with Hitachi Data Systems recently and they mentioned in passing an HSM product called LSC that they claim will work on the filers. I'm not sure if it's a stand-alone product, or if it has to be combined with other software (Highpoint - a data management package, perhaps Veritas, etc.). Like I said, they didn't spend too much time discussing this product; they were pushing the Sun 9960. Or maybe it was the Network Storage Solutions filer... whichever. I can't find any information about it on their website (www.hds.com), but I'm sure someone must be watching, and they might respond to this... Geoff Hardin geoff.hardin(a)dalsemi.com > "Waters, G Scott DSTI" wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone is aware of or using any type of > Hierarchical Storage Management (HSM) with their filers. > > We have been throwing and throwing disk space at the users and the (of > course) continue to 'gobble' it up at a tremendous pace. We would > like some sort of system that ages inactive files and moves them off > to 'near-line' storage. > > We had a meeting with our Veritas reps today and they had nothing. In > fact they spent most of the meeting blasting NetApp. > > In your responses please do not talk about quotas and all that good > stuff. The current thought process is to allow 'unlimited storage' > ... we just need to manage it through HSM. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Scott Waters > Technical Manager - DSTI > Network Systems Team - US Army HQ SBCCOM > scott.waters(a)sbccom.apgea.army.mil

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HSM and the filers ...
by Waters, G Scott DSTI 28 Dec '01

28 Dec '01

I was wondering if anyone is aware of or using any type of Hierarchical Storage Management (HSM) with their filers. We have been throwing and throwing disk space at the users and the (of course) continue to 'gobble' it up at a tremendous pace. We would like some sort of system that ages inactive files and moves them off to 'near-line' storage. We had a meeting with our Veritas reps today and they had nothing. In fact they spent most of the meeting blasting NetApp. In your responses please do not talk about quotas and all that good stuff. The current thought process is to allow 'unlimited storage' ... we just need to manage it through HSM. Thanks in advance for your help. Scott Waters Technical Manager - DSTI Network Systems Team - US Army HQ SBCCOM scott.waters(a)sbccom.apgea.army.mil

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RE: HSM and the filers ...
by Loux, Linda (Rosetta) 28 Dec '01

28 Dec '01

We have a similar need, and have not yet found the definitive answer. I am looking at a product called CyberLAB that is a software product that can move data to/from any hardware. We may combine this software with a hardware solution that is not yet determined to provide near line access. Linda Loux Infrastructure Operations Manager Rosetta Inpharmatics -----Original Message----- From: Waters, G Scott DSTI [mailto:scott.waters@SBCCOM.APGEA.ARMY.MIL] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 12:11 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: HSM and the filers ... I was wondering if anyone is aware of or using any type of Hierarchical Storage Management (HSM) with their filers. We have been throwing and throwing disk space at the users and the (of course) continue to 'gobble' it up at a tremendous pace. We would like some sort of system that ages inactive files and moves them off to 'near-line' storage. We had a meeting with our Veritas reps today and they had nothing. In fact they spent most of the meeting blasting NetApp. In your responses please do not talk about quotas and all that good stuff. The current thought process is to allow 'unlimited storage' ... we just need to manage it through HSM. Thanks in advance for your help. Scott Waters Technical Manager - DSTI Network Systems Team - US Army HQ SBCCOM scott.waters(a)sbccom.apgea.army.mil

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Re: Legato Networker NDMP, anyone?
by MCope＠isisph.com 28 Dec '01

28 Dec '01

I've been using Networker 6.1.1 (patched) since about September and am really pleased with it. Most of the limitations I've seen are with the NDMP protocol. The inability to make clones is definitely a big problem but I've been told that's coming. I don't recall if that was a Legato issue or the protocol. Legato was the first to offer Direct Access Restore (DAR) and I've actually had the opportunity to use it on a number of occasions and it is unbelievably fast. The inability to do a rename-on-recover/non-destructive restore had me concerned as well but it's never come up in the restores I've done. I'm inclined to say it's an error in the documentation. As for being able to restore to another filesystem, I'm getting conflicting answers about that but haven't had the time to actually test it out. The separate tape pool doesn't sit well with me. The NDMP tapes have to be formatted/labeled in the NDMP device and supposedly can't be used except in another NDMP device (why????). One thing Legato hasn't brought enough attention to is that you need dedicated non-NDMP formatted tapes in the backup server that belong to the NDMP pool. These tapes store the indexes and since many weeks can fit on one tape if the tape goes bad you've "lost" all those indexes. It also makes media management difficult. You have to keep these tapes separate from the NDMP tapes. If you want to send a set of tapes offsite you need to send the index tape(s) as well. Networker and NDMP both have flaws but what they offer makes these acceptable. I spent 4 months evaluating different products and found Networker to be the most capable (Bakbone was my first choice because they have a GREAT product but it's still lacking some features and the company's stability is questionable. To be fair, they're a local company and I know some former employees so I hear a lot of negative things concerning their financial state that generally wouldn't be in the press) Michael Cope Unix Systems Administrator Isis Pharmaceuticals Marion Hakanson <hakanson(a)cse.ogi.edu> Sent by: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com 12/27/01 10:25 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com cc: Subject: Legato Networker NDMP, anyone? Folks, I'm studying up on networker-6.1.1, in preparation for converting from BudTool to NetWorker, and according to the docs, there are some pretty serious (to me) limitations in Networker's NDMP support. I would very much like to hear from anyone out there who is already using this backup software with their NetApp (or with other NDMP devices), so I can get a better idea about what's ahead for us. Oh, you're probably going to ask me anyway, so here's my list of things that NetWorker NDMP cannot do, which I can currently do with BudTool: (1) Cannot clone (e.g. for offsite storage) NDMP backups. (2) Cannot rename-on-recover; Non-destructive save-set recovery is not supported; It looks like you might be able to work around this by using a directed recovery (i.e. to non-original location), although they indicate this is used to restore to a different NDMP host. (3) Cannot backup to a remote (non-NDMP) tape device, unless you buy an extra software module (SnapImage, which also does other stuff). (4) Cannot send NDMP backups to a filesystem device (not even if you have SnapImage). (5) Must have separate (tape) pools for NDMP and non-NDMP backups. Suggestions, corrections, and comments are welcome. Regards, -- Marion Hakanson <hakanson(a)cse.ogi.edu> CSE Computing Facilities

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RE: HSM and the filers ...
by Mike Sphar 28 Dec '01

28 Dec '01

A Legato rep once told me about an archiving package they offered that supposedly had some features for backing up and removing inactive files. I don't recall much of the details though. One thing to consider is how you define an "Inactive" file. One that has not been read for a period of time? If so, how do you filter out accesses by backup software, virus scanners, find commands, etc while still detecting legitimate reads by users? We've been contemplating developing some in-house tools to do similar file off-lining, as we suffer from the same infinite space consumption of our users, but we haven't yet figured out a good way to really identify inactive files. -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support Peregrine Systems, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Waters, G Scott DSTI [mailto:scott.waters@sbccom.apgea.army.mil] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:11 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: HSM and the filers ... I was wondering if anyone is aware of or using any type of Hierarchical Storage Management (HSM) with their filers. We have been throwing and throwing disk space at the users and the (of course) continue to 'gobble' it up at a tremendous pace. We would like some sort of system that ages inactive files and moves them off to 'near-line' storage. We had a meeting with our Veritas reps today and they had nothing. In fact they spent most of the meeting blasting NetApp. In your responses please do not talk about quotas and all that good stuff. The current thought process is to allow 'unlimited storage' ... we just need to manage it through HSM. Thanks in advance for your help. Scott Waters Technical Manager - DSTI Network Systems Team - US Army HQ SBCCOM scott.waters(a)sbccom.apgea.army.mil

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Re: License transfers
by ScottUCE＠aol.com 28 Dec '01

28 Dec '01

Hello, Kevin: "Standard" filer licenses will neither transfer to different filers nor to new users. Thus, for the protection of their company's investment, it is important that buyers of new NetApp filers insist on transferable licenses. There are used (and deeply discounted) F700 series systems -- with licenses that WILL transfer freely to the new owner -- which we would be happy to discuss with you. Regards, Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 Phone: 952 935 7282 FAX: 952 935 5056 scott(a)unioncomputer.com ****************************************************************************** ***************************************** In a message dated 12/27/2001 5:29:10 PM Central Standard Time, kgraham(a)dotnetdotcom.org writes: > Does anyone know the limits of transferrability of the standard filer > license? I was just considering swapping an older box for something newer > (but used) and was wondering if anyone had looked into the contract > language of "transferring" the licenses to the newer filer.. > > ..kg.. >

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License transfers
by kevin graham 27 Dec '01

27 Dec '01

Does anyone know the limits of transferrability of the standard filer license? I was just considering swapping an older box for something newer (but used) and was wondering if anyone had looked into the contract language of "transferring" the licenses to the newer filer.. ..kg..

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