toasters March 1999

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Re: NetCaches and IP representations
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 19 Mar '99

19 Mar '99

On 03/17/99 22:07:19 you wrote: OTOH, are non-doted IP adresses valid URLs? They are not required according to the RFC (see guy's email for a full discussion). When I did a quick look I couldn't find any other interface documents (telnet, etc.) that required anything other than dotted decimals for IP translation, either, but I can't say for certain that's entirely true. Anyway, when it comes to URLs, the fact that they work is an artifact of the code, not the specification. Bruce

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RE: stupid SMTP questions
by Hackworth, Brian 18 Mar '99

18 Mar '99

: In the cfg files for the filers i can see lines like this: : : Target[ast-h-tsb02.net.snmp]: : 1.3.6.1.4.1.789.1.2.2.2.0&1.3.6.1.4.1.789.1.2.2.3.0:public@ast-h-tsb02 : : The one above gets total network traffic from the filer. : : Where do these long lines of numbers come from? Where : are they defined? I'm getting the impression that they : are somehow related to the netapp.mib file - but i can't : find any clues how that format is converted into these : sets on numbers. These numbers are indeed derived from the netapp.mib. The 1.3.6.1.4.1.789 is the top of the NetApp MIB. You can map the other numbers to names by following the trail in the MIB: netapp OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { enterprises 789 } netapp1 OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { netapp 1 } sysStat OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { netapp1 2 } misc OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { sysStat 2 } miscNetRcvdKB OBJECT-TYPE ::= { misc 2 } miscNetSentKB OBJECT-TYPE ::= { misc 3 } So 1.3.6.1.4.1.789.1.2.2.2.0 is netapp.netapp1.sysStat.misc.miscNetRcvdKB and 1.3.6.1.4.1.789.1.2.2.2.0 us netapp.netapp1.sysStat.misc.miscNetSentKB. Software can do this mapping for you, too. The CMU snmp tools can parse the MIB and show numbers or names. Here's a table of some of the more commonly-used variables from the NetApp version 1.1.1 MIB (supported in ONTAP 5.1 and later). 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raid.spareTable.spareEntry.spareStatus 6.3.1.4.1 raid.spareTable.spareEntry.spareDiskId 6.3.1.5.1 raid.spareTable.spareEntry.spareScsiAdapter 6.3.1.6.1 raid.spareTable.spareEntry.spareScsiId 6.3.1.7.1 raid.spareTable.spareEntry.spareTotalMb 6.3.1.8.1 raid.spareTable.spareEntry.spareTotalBlocks - Brian Hackworth

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Re: NetCaches and IP representations
by mds＠gbnet.net 18 Mar '99

18 Mar '99

On Wed 17 Mar, 1999, sirbruce(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: > On 03/17/99 20:57:20 you wrote: > > > >On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Alex French wrote: > > > >> Here's one for the obscurities wishlist: our NetCaches don't recognise > >> integer representations of IPs. Instead of interpreting 3263497985 as > >> 194.133.7.1, for example, they look for www.3263497985.com. > > > >Hmmm... > > > >That's kinda interesting seeing as I'm sure NetApp claim to be using a BSD > >TCP/IP stack... > > 1. When did they claim that? > 2. I suspect they meant *compatible* stack... there are surely some changes. > 3. The translation of decimals to octets isn't really the "stack" IMHO. I don't think they claim it as such. However, it is believed that they started out with NetBSD and then hacked and slashed and tweaked and slowly but surely DOT was born from the ashes. Check out the standard BSD 'Regents of the University of California' boilerplate in the manuals. There's also an entry for Chris Demetriou and CMU for their work in NetBSD (specifically). This shows the worth of the BSD license over the GPL - if NetApp wanted to, for example, build the same embedded kernel style OS out of Linux, they'd have had to decided whether to make their proprietary code public, giving away competitive advantage at a critical time in their company's life, or to make their code run as application-layer stuff over a trimmed down Linux kernel. Either way wouldn't have been as satisfactory IMHO. Anyway, enough digression. It seems likely that, at least at one time, the network stack owed a great deal to the BSD stack. Whether, in 5.2.* this holds true anymore is only known to NetApp folk. > > Bruce > > >-- End of excerpt from sirbruce(a)ix.netcom.com

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Re: filer NFS to hp700 or alpha: client cache problem?
by Tony Paolucci 18 Mar '99

18 Mar '99

On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Thomson, Michael (UK, GIS ISM Group for R&D) wrote: > Could I suggest you check the time synchronisation between your client box > (doing the linking) and the Filer? >>> "Todd C. Merrill" <tmerrill(a)mathworks.com> 03/17 10:00 AM >>> All our machines run xntpd, except <*cough*> the filer. ;) I'll try the -noac nfs mount option and/or patches and report back if the problem gets solved. Have you considered setting a cron job to execute rdate on the filer? For example, you could put the following in the crontab of you admin host: 0 3 * * * rsh toaster rdate clock1 This syncs the filer's clock with xntpd server "clock1" every night at 3am. We're doing this and it works pretty well. It ain't xntpd on the filer, but is serviceable for our purposes. -Tony Paolucci System Administrator, Growth Management, Metro, Portland, Oregon

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NetCaches and IP representations
by Alex French 18 Mar '99

18 Mar '99

Here's one for the obscurities wishlist: our NetCaches don't recognise integer representations of IPs. Instead of interpreting 3263497985 as 194.133.7.1, for example, they look for www.3263497985.com. Although nobody in their right mind would want to do this, people do use it when they want to obscure the tru source of a URL (yes, mainly in dodgy newsgroups, I know). Later, Alex.

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RE: NetApp/Auspex killer?
by Weeks, Thomas 18 Mar '99

18 Mar '99

I would probably go with a multi-x86 box (low cost) running Linux (kernel 2.2), SAMBA, hardware RAID, etc. I have seen some very good comparative SMB numbers on these boxes. And now that the processor archetecture is scalable with Linux's kernel, the sky's the limit and the cost is VERY low! Tom Weeks -----Original Message----- From: askaquestion(a)iname.com [mailto:askaquestion@iname.com] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 1999 4:36 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: NetApp/Auspex killer? Yes, NetApps are fine boxes but... If you started a company to build a NAS box, what would you build that would be better than what NetApp, Auspex, etc. has? I'm looking for serious responses here - to improve the market with competition! I don't view the kind of very-low $ suggestions on this list recently as the kind of thing that most of us are interested in. Don't let my anonymous query lead you into thinking that I'm not 100% serious. If anything it should illustrate just how serious I am. --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com

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Re: NetCaches and IP representations
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 18 Mar '99

18 Mar '99

On 03/17/99 20:57:20 you wrote: > >On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Alex French wrote: > >> Here's one for the obscurities wishlist: our NetCaches don't recognise >> integer representations of IPs. Instead of interpreting 3263497985 as >> 194.133.7.1, for example, they look for www.3263497985.com. > >Hmmm... > >That's kinda interesting seeing as I'm sure NetApp claim to be using a BSD >TCP/IP stack... 1. When did they claim that? 2. I suspect they meant *compatible* stack... there are surely some changes. 3. The translation of decimals to octets isn't really the "stack" IMHO. Bruce

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Re: NetCaches and IP representations
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 18 Mar '99

18 Mar '99

On 03/18/99 01:34:50 you wrote: > >Here's one for the obscurities wishlist: our NetCaches don't recognise >integer representations of IPs. Instead of interpreting 3263497985 as >194.133.7.1, for example, they look for www.3263497985.com. > >Although nobody in their right mind would want to do this, people do use it >when they want to obscure the tru source of a URL (yes, mainly in dodgy >newsgroups, I know). Argh!!! I would just like to say I think this is really, really dumb. I've seen more and more people using this "trick" in the past 2 years and it's just annoying as hell. It's just a side-effect of a particular lookup routine! If you check the specs for just about anything (especially URLs) you will see this is *not* guaranteed behavior. If people want and expect this, put it in the standard. Until then, if you find out people have trouble getting the that URL, then that's what you get for using it! The problem is enough lookup routines handle it anyway that the ones that don't look like they are the "non-standard" ones, so now they are forced to adopt this inane behavior. Bruce

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Re: Any comments on emergin SANS technology...
by mds＠gbnet.net 18 Mar '99

18 Mar '99

To an extent filer clusters are SAN's. I personally think NAS is superior to SANs architecturally, even if NAS's use SAN's. One day we'll have a network for network traffic, another for disk traffic, another for backup traffic, another for montoring/maintenance traffic, and some bright spark will come along and say 'We could do all this with one proper network!' and I'll just shake my head and cry. 8)

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Re: Any comments on emergin SANS technology...
by jrg＠acm.org 17 Mar '99

17 Mar '99

On Tue 16 Mar, 1999, mds(a)gbnet.net (mark) wrote: >To an extent filer clusters are SAN's. I personally think NAS is superior >to SANs architecturally, even if NAS's use SAN's. indeedy - the big problem all the plain SAN kit seems to suffer from is that a filesystem belongs to only one of the hosts, can only be intepreted by a subset anyway (eg only NT boxes grok NTFS, only SGI's grok XFS) and doesn't expect to be shared or be sharing with anyone else ('Hey! The link-count on that directory in that local read-only filesystem just changed. Oops.' *BANG*). Enter NFS (or AFS, DFS, Coda..) and systems that are designed to share their filesystems with others. >One day we'll have a network for network traffic, another for disk >traffic, another for backup traffic, another for montoring/maintenance >traffic, and some bright spark will come along and say 'We could do all >this with one proper network!' and I'll just shake my head and cry. > >8) I still say that I don't want to have to worry about lots of different networks! :-p (Or was I arguing to keep them seperate last time? I forget...) James.

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