Yes, but the OP mentioned doing NDMP backups of volume snapmirror’s
specifically. He had the gist of it out of the gate.
Jeff Kennedy
Qualcomm, Incorporated
QCT Engineering Compute
858-651-6592
From: Glenn Dekhayser
[mailto:gdekhayser@voyantinc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:30 PM
To: Kennedy, Jeffrey; Fred Grieco; Jeremy Webber
Cc: toasters@mathworks.com
Subject: RE: NDMP backup of snapmirror target
You are not able to create a new snapshot in a RO VSM
destination via snapmirror, that’s why it simply chooses the most recent
one. In a QSM, the volume itself is RW, so you can. I have clients
that have been backing up snapmirror destinations for years with no issue.
-Glenn
From:
owner-toasters@mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf
Of Kennedy, Jeffrey
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:54 PM
To: Fred Grieco; Jeremy Webber
Cc: toasters@mathworks.com
Subject: RE: NDMP backup of snapmirror target
If I’m understanding you and Ed correctly though, the backup
software in both cases used an existing snapshot, it did not make a snapshot
itself?
At some point in the past Netbackup, Bodtool, Commvault, etc.,
would all create their own backup_stuff.0 snapshot what was specifically for
NDMP backups and was (supposedly) deleted when the backup completed.
It sounds to me like the backup software may have gotten smarter
and will automatically use the most recent snapshot if it can’t create one
itself.
Jeff Kennedy
Qualcomm, Incorporated
QCT Engineering Compute
858-651-6592
From: Fred Grieco
[mailto:fredgrieco@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 11:35 AM
To: Kennedy, Jeffrey; Jeremy Webber
Cc: toasters@mathworks.com
Subject: Re: NDMP backup of snapmirror target
I was doing the my
most recent testing on Ontap 7.3.3, using Backup exec 12.5. The NDMP
backup worked. I selected the volume for backup, as Backup Exec will not
let me specify a particular snapshot. I monitored the snapshots in System
Manager-- it looked like the NDMP process used the most recent snapshot, as it
put it in Busy/Dump status.
Fred
From: "Kennedy, Jeffrey"
<jkennedy@qualcomm.com>
To: Jeremy Webber <Jeremy.Webber@al.com.au>
Cc: Fred Grieco <fredgrieco@yahoo.com>;
"toasters@mathworks.com" <toasters@mathworks.com>
Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 2:14:33 PM
Subject: RE: NDMP backup of snapmirror target
I would be very interested to hear from Netapp contributors if
NDMP backups of volume snapmirror’s has changed. My education at the time
was that volume level snapmirror’s are RO for all blocks, which means inode
pointers could not change since that meant a change to blocks *in* the volume.
QSM/Snapvault has never suffered from this issue.
Jeff Kennedy
Qualcomm, Incorporated
QCT Engineering Compute
858-651-6592
From: Jeremy Webber
[mailto:Jeremy.Webber@al.com.au]
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 6:22 PM
To: Kennedy, Jeffrey
Cc: Jeremy Webber; Fred Grieco; toasters@mathworks.com
Subject: Re: NDMP backup of snapmirror target
Maybe there were limitations in earlier versions of OnTAP
but I can confirm that we do tape backups, via tape, from a snapmirror
destination without having to break the snapmirror relationship.
A snapshot is automatically created in the snapmirror
destination for the duration of the NDMP job.
I can't recall if subsequent snapmirror updates fail during
the backup and am not able to test this right now.
OnTAP 7.3.2.
-jeremy
On 17/11/2010, at 6:11 AM, Kennedy, Jeffrey wrote:
Things may have changed in OT since I last was concerned with
tape backups but as I recall a snapmirrored *volume* can’t take the
backup snapshot because it’s RO. So you point the backup software at the
newest snapshot in the RO volume and back up that view.
The only reason the NDMP backup makes a snapshot is to guarantee
consistency. An existing snapshot already has that.
Jeff Kennedy
Qualcomm, Incorporated
QCT Engineering Compute
858-651-6592
From: owner-toasters@mathworks.com
[mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Grieco
Sent: Tuesday, November
16, 2010 6:26 AM
To: toasters@mathworks.com
Subject: NDMP backup of
snapmirror target
I am
snapmirroring several volumes to a DR site, and I would like to do tape backups
at that site. How should I do them? Can I use NDMP?
It seems like I can't do straight NDMP because the replicated target is
read-only. I am currently creating flexclones from snapshots existing in
the volume (nightly.0...) but flexclone then locks this snapshot and snapmirror
will fail to update ( I'm not sure if this happens at the next update or
when the source system attempts to remove that snapshot and copy it over... I
wasn't watching).
What do you generally do to get snapmirrored volume data to tape?
TIA,
Fred
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