Andrey - yes "confusing/ambiguous/hard to decipher" are all adjectives I'd use.
I find the Upgrade Advisor is much clearer, but it lacks the details for NDU - it merely refers to "if you are performing NDU…"

As it stands, the admin is left to piece together the upgrade steps from several different sources
I just finished the disk firmware upgrades on the first node  recommended by Upgrade Advisor - but I made sure to call Netapp support specifically about the X410_HVIPC288A15 NA01 firmware and re-confirm it would be non-disruptive

Just copied X410_HVIPC288A15 NA01 to the second node's /etc/disk_fw - but its not initiating any firmware updates (first node started logging firmware update messages immediately)

How do I list the firmware of the X410_HVIPC288A15 disks?

disk show -T is not a valid option apparently any more in 7.3.5.1?

thanks
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Fletcher

On Feb 2, 2012, at 6:45 PM, Borzenkov, Andrey wrote:

"cf giveback" by itself does not cause extra reboot. Statement is manuals is confusing.

There could be multiple reboots of A indeed after "cf takeover" to update various firmware. This is entirely transparent as HA pair remains in "A taken over by B" state until A boots far enough to declare itself "ready for giveback".

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Justin, thanks for the feedback

What makes step 13 (cf giveback) triggering another reboot of the SAME node A is step 12 reads like that has already been accomplished for node A

so does node A reboot twice, then when you repeat the procedure, node B reboots twice?

thanks
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On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Parisi, Justin wrote:

In a takeover/giveback scenario, there are two reboots.

The first reboot is the takeover. The second reboot is the giveback.

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Hi - can someone clarify this from pg 56 of the upgrade guide -

for instance, if step 12 causes A to "reboot the system using the new firmware and software"

WHY in step 13 does the cf giveback ALSO "cause system A to reboot with the new system configuration?"

Are there really 2 reboots ?

thanks



12. Enter the following command to reboot the system using the new firmware and software:

bye

13. Choose the option that describes your configuration.

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If FCP or iSCSI...

Is not in use in system A

Is in use in system A

Then when the "Waiting for giveback" message appears on the console of system A...

Enter the following command at the console of system B:

cf giveback

Wait for at least eight minutes to allow host multipathing software to stabilize, then enter the following command at the console of system B:

cf giveback

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Attention: The cf giveback command can fail because of open client sessions (such as CIFS sessions), long-running operations, or operations that cannot be restarted (such as tape backup or SyncMirror resynchronization). If the cf givebackcommand fails, terminate any CIFS session or long-running operations gracefully (because the -f option will immediately terminate any CIFS sessions or long-running operations) and then enter the following command (with the -f option):

 cf giveback -f

For more information about the behavior of the -f option, see the cf(1) man page.

The command causes system A to reboot with the new system configuration—a Data ONTAP version and any new system firmware and hardware changes—and resume normal operation as a high-availability partner.

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Information Resources and Technology (IRT)
Stanford University School of Medicine
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